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Recieved: 2003/04/02 01:18
Subject: Re: [K-list] What God do we believe in?
From: Dean Robbins
On 2003/04/02 01:18, Dean Robbins posted thus to the K-list:
Dear ken,
Thank you for your reply.
> Thanks for this exchange, Dean. It's been uplifting and refreshing.
> Although I'm told I can be quite amusing in social gatherings, I tend to be
> a bit of a hermit, .....
Likewise (-:
>....a bit of an pseudo-intellectual snob I guess. However,
> you strike such a nice balance between respect and honesty that I find this
> conversation engaging.
Thank you, for your politeness.
> >Sorry for not replying sooner, I have been caught up in the ways of the
> >world. Good ol' Mara, always doing his best to side-track me. 'Tis not
> >good for the spiritual life. Let's continue:
> I stopped checking hotmail for several days myself. Apparently there's
some
> change going on in my psyche. I was listening to a repeat of Bill Moyers
> interview with Joe Campbell and was struck by Campbell's admonition to find
> your own path, that the hero's journey is a fight between realizing your
> unique individual nature or being sucked into some system. So, I've fallen
> into a transitional Twilight Zone, like the Tower card in Tarot I guess --
a
> time of change. I've been obsessing over a computer game, which I finally
> mastered. Odd, I know, but it has had the effect of stimulating K.
Being sucked into a system and then fighting for our individual expression is
a good point , I want to elaborate on this further in this post...
> >May I enquire, why "surrender" is repulsive to you?
> See, it's like the computer game. Surrender is not an option to a warrior.
Of course, the warrior always wants to win. But what does he want to win for?
> It's like the hero's journey. A hero doesn't give up. Surrender equates
to loosing heart and giving up to me.
Did Jesus lose heart? Was not Jesus a divine hero? He did not lose heart, he
surrender to the grace of the higher power when he was crucified. Is that not
the ultimate hero's journey? Jesus was sucked into a system and then fighted
for individual expression to expess a greater life that was to be had rather
than be cuaght up in the game of life we live now.
> >Imo, surrender is just another word for renunciation. Isn't the spiritual
> >life about that? i.e. letting go of grasping , aversion,
> >concepts, whatever... (btw, that = renunciation) (-:
> I believe there's a difference between surrendering the desires of the ego
> and merging with Spirit, and giving up the good fight.
This I understand.
>The ego has its petty needs and wants to control everything. Letting that
go is a good thing. > In fact, that realization probably saved my sanity
many years ago.
I can identify with this from within my on experience of life.
> >>>Thanks Ken, actually, your conceptual views are always high on my list.
(-:
> >>Was that a backhanded compliment? hahahaha
> >....or I can rephrase it as; " the way you think, is high on my list". >If
> >you treat that as a compliment, then so be it. But I am not here to
> >massage your ego (-: And as you and I both know, the spiritual path
> >is not about ego. Agreed?
> Ya -- I agree. I was just making light of the compliment about "conceptual
> views", as we were talking about how realization doesn't come from such
> conceptualizations.
Understood.
> >>What is all this talk about "disappearing" and "gone" and stuff? I'm
> >>hoping you'll stay and engage me a little. But... do what ya gotta do.
> >I guess I gotta do what I gotta do.... You have my attention now. My
> >attention comes to this List then goes from this List. How you engage
> >me, will make me stay. I need stimulation, but not in the "moist"
> >or "creamy" sense. (-:
>
>
> Ack! My interest in the list waxes and wanes as well. When the list is
> full of subjects for which I have little interests, I just scan and delete
a lot, but I keep watching because every once in a while there is a real
pearl of a post.
Yes...let the pearls manifest themselves as and when they are needed. Let us
cast our pearls of understanding before each other, and let the combined
treasure reveal untold wisdom.
> Peace,
> ken
And peace unto you, Ken.
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