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Recieved: 2003/03/26 00:48
Subject: Re: [K-list] What God do we believe in?
From: mundane zen
On 2003/03/26 00:48, mundane zen posted thus to the K-list:
>From: "Dean Robbins" <Dean.Robbins AT_NOSPAM btinternet.com>
>I think surrendering to one's Self is a wonderful answer.
There's got to be a better word for describing that accepting and merging
feeling than "surrender". I've always had an aversion to the word and its
negative connotations, and now that I've latched onto Campbell again and the
hero archetype, the word seems even more repulsive.
>I can see a theme developing here, maybe we can elaborate on this
>further, and even rephrase the question to "What God do we believe in?"
As the Highlander said, "There can be only one". Critics of Hinduism often
refer to it as polytheistic or pantheistic, but most Hindus seem to have
grasped the concept that all the various forms are simply manifestations of
the One. Likewise, many people get stuck on the name Jesus or Allah and
don't see that they are just words, symbols of a common underlying spirit.
>I read somewhere that the Buddha abstained from discussing
>metaphysical questions about the existence of an absolute God. For
>him, God was too big a subject for the unenlightened human mind to
>grasp...
Bingo!
>I personally have no belief in what I think God is. What is important, >is
>the actual enquiry into the very existence of *What is God?*. -
>God, whatever we believe Him to be, can only exist in our minds as a
>concept.
Of course every thing in our minds exists only as a concept when we think
about it. So, don't think about it. Experience it directly in a realm
beyond thought. Whenever anyone asks me if I believe in God, I ask them to
define their terms.
>But concept is not the actuality. Any concept we have of God, limits
>God to our belief system.
Is it a conincidence that the initials for belief system are B.S.?
>Concept itself is only a part of the Creator's creation.
How can you talk about belief systems limiting God, then immediately talk
about God as creator? Isn't that also trying to impose concepts,
attributes, and limitations on God? I'm not sure what you're trying to say
here, but I don't think you're going to there thru mere logic and the
rational part of the mind. This just leads one into circles and reductio ad
absurdium.
>Actuality negates God as a concept, and what remains is knowing that
>this is the reality.
What is "this"?
>And as reality is our true nature or true Self, then our true
>Self-awareness can only disclose the "God" concept as an illusion.
All this says is that God cannot be conceptualized. God is not a left-brain
object to be manipulated. Yet it doesn't obviate the possibility of
experiencing the Spirit of God, or ones true nature, thru grace or
meditation techniques.
>I''m going to disappear now,
Oh?
Peace,
ken
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