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Recieved: 2003/03/24 16:06
Subject: RE: [K-list] Course change?
From: Rich
On 2003/03/24 16:06, Rich posted thus to the K-list:
> Oh, i am so not qulaified to debate free will. I am not smart
> enough, or well read enough, or intellectual enough, or
> whatever - bigger minds than mine have a better grasp of that.
Does it matter?
> If we are an instrument of God's peace (or Goddess or Spirit
> or ...), would that (being the instrument of
> peace) qualify as *purpose*? Is it possible that in our
> surrendering to God/dess' plans, that we won't always know
> the purpose? There are things that have happened in life that
> i will never *understand*, but that i am learning to accept...
I understand this :)
> Hmmm, i don't feel a sense of purposelessness... But i'm not
> sure how much of the *purpose* is *my* choice alone -
> granted, i am making choices, but who determines what the
> list of possibile choices comprise? And is the spirit of
> God/dess guiding my hand in the choice *i* make or is it just
> the human part of me in charge of this?
You summed this up nicely IMO. Is choosing goddess way still a choice of
free will?
Is there a point of no return I wonder? That one could surrender to
something so fully they forget they ever surrendered and loose there
previous sense of self and there ability to pull back out of what they
surrendered to.
> > How did the ball start rolling without some element of free-will?
>
> Sadly, you who are smarter than i should talk about this.
> Seriously, can anyone on the k-list help with this one?
Why do you project this idea of me being smart? I am really stupid,
honest! Anyone will tell you that ;)
> Yes - i think that is spot on. Except how do we know that we
> are not sometimes *filtering* things with our own *baggage*?
> Like you say, it is through feeling with your heart, right?
> > There is no need to resist when there is nothing to fear
> loosing. Even
> > anothers energy assault. From my experience I can stand
> face to face
> > with someone shouting and rattling off and have an inner
> smile knowing
> > they can't really touch me.
>
> That must be very nice to feel. Important to give up
> *fear* and then the inner smile can appear. I like the way
> you said this>
I still get pulled down and caught up in things and make a mess of myself.
Most often when the other person hits me with something of likeness to what
is unresolved in myself.
Occasionally it can be like how is described and it can be fun, but actually
this happens seldomly which is no doubt a good thing.
> > > How can we tell what is what? There must be a way to be
> very still
> > > and listen to God/dess within our
> > Hearts, to
> > > ferret out any fear or anger or something within
> > us, if that
> > > is the cause OR if that is not the cause.
> >
> > Sure... We always know but don't always listen...
>
> I think you're right. Is that where silence or stillness come
> in, or maybe meditation? The ability to be really still and
> present and aware?
My heart tells me this. Stillness is a clearer way to hear it's voice.
Meditation isn't really necessary.
Experience has told me that if I'm really clogged up with stuff then it can
be very hard to get in touch with the heart. As other things seem to take
attention more or change my focus/priority.
> But the last time? Yes, i was not afraid and was rady
> to die... Which i didn't do, of course. :-)
Is this something you might be open to sharing? It would be nice to hear how
you experienced this and where you're lack of fear came from or was based
in?
Love and peace,
Rich
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