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Recieved: 2003/02/24 01:24
Subject: Re: [K-list] Dream Consciousness
From: felix
On 2003/02/24 01:24, felix posted thus to the K-list:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:50:15 -0500
"mundane zen" <gutrek AT_NOSPAM hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yesterday and the day before, while in the twilight state between sleep and
> waking, I had an unusual experience. I felt that sense of
> super-consciousness one gets in deep medition, no thought, just
> crystal-clear awareness. I was watching a dream, and each part of the dream
> contained an important message about my life, which was instantly and
> wordlessly transmitted to me. Because the messages had this feeling of
> importance, I started trying to remember them. This process of trying to
> insure that I remembered them woke me up. Ack!
Hi Ken,
Yes, I get this sometime, and have the same problem with remembering. I've encountered it once during beta consciousness, and it was so shocking I was outta there immediately. I can hardly imagine what might result from getting relaxed with it on a regular basis.
I read something in an book written about sleep research someone gave me that was published back in the 80s. This happened in a sleep lab where they wire people up on EEG, EKG, etc., and they woke the participants up during different stages of sleep. Regular dreams with hypnogognic visuals happen when dropping into and awakening into the border line between alpha and theta sleep. REM sleep. But at the deepest level of sleep during the delta cycle, when the technicians woke the patients up, and asked them what was going on, what they
described as going on during that phase had no visuals. They described having a deep conversation about what meant most to them in their lives while surrounded by light.
It was this material that peaked my curiosity, because what they described was like my experiences in meditation, and where I got my original thoughts about
learning to stay conscious during the entire sleep cycle.
Everybody goes through these sleep cycles and delta consciousness 4-5 times during a normal nights sleep.
I think learning to remain conscious while letting the body go through the sleep cycles is the hero's journey as described by the various stories in J. Campbell's book Hero of a Thousand Faces.
In the quote Hillary provided, it read like Ramana Maharishi was saying pretty much the same thing.
I've meditated for many years. Until I came to this understanding, I didn't really understand why. Now I do, and yet, I'm hardly ever able to steal fire from the gods.
felix
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