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Subject: Re: [K-list] This comes to mind from Jason B
From: Dean Robbins
On 2003/02/22 22:37, Dean Robbins posted thus to the K-list:
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From: "felix" <felix AT_NOSPAM intrstar.net>
To: <k-list AT_NOSPAM kundalini-gateway.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] This comes to mind from Jason B
>
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:20:25 -0000
> "Dean Robbins" <Dean.Robbins AT_NOSPAM btinternet.com> wrote:
> , felix AT_NOSPAM intrstar.net writes:
> >
> >
> > No such thing as a non-dual perspective can possibly exist.
> >
> >
> > A non-dual perspective does exist. It does not however come from the
mind. It comes from the true Self. Some refer to it as the "Witness
State". It is the ability to see every moment as perfect, with the Self not
separate from any of it.
> >
> > I concur.
> >
> > "In the world, but not of the world."
> >
> > I concur.
>
> Hi Jason, Dean,
>
> Actually, in making that statement I hoped to provoke a clearer
understanding of what those who wrap themselves in saffron robes mean when
they use the expression "nonduality". Maybe I'm a little more up on it now
due to the dialogue.
I think you are underestimating yourself (-:
> I guess I'm still wondering what the point of rejecting duality in favor
of it. I think we need both, and the stuff I wrote to a friend below is the
best explanation I've given myself to date. The "child of 7 days" is what I
think is an equivalent of existing in a state of nonduality. Maybe I'm
wrong. Who cares? LOL
> ***********
>
> > Thank you Felix, perhaps you can see how I got so excited when I read
your post on how man developing language resulted in him kicking God the
father out of his kingdom. It certainly rang bells for me.
>
> Yes, the story of Genesis really does seem to concern itself with the
first 7 days of life for each of us. Our caregivers start cooing to us
immediately, and we begin to create our world of words from that point on. I
suspect this form of turning the child from what is thought of as a feral
beast into a human child is what is referred to as some as the original sin.
That feral beast of the first 7 days though, is the state of innocence that
must be realized again in our person as one of the elemental parts of the
two that must be turned into One. Otherwise, the world we created with words
exist unopposed.
It doesn't matter what we think or what we know. What matters, is how we
care for those who need us to be with them.
> If something happens like a traumatic accident or say, being struck by
lightening, we get the "sense" knocked out of us, and the power of the child
of that first 7 days becomes available to us. But, it occurs to me that in
that traumatized state we simply can't grok what to do with it because of
our dislogical state. Later, when we regain our "senses", we may be able to
look back at what was available to us during our period of insensibility and
wonder what could have happened had we been able to consciously guide that
energy into miraculous behavior. And if we don't regain our senses, then we
lie there in a coma similar to that of the 7 day old child.
>
> We need both. We need the wisdom and consciousness of our world of words
and the awareness and unlimited potential of the 7 day old child. This
appears to be the two elementary qualities that can be melded into One.
It doesn't matter what we think or what we know. What matters, is how we
care for those who need us to be with them.
It doesn't matter what Dean thinks but...
What matters is... how much he/we loves...
thoughtfully yours,
Dean
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