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Recieved: 2003/02/22 19:50
Subject: Re: [K-list] This comes to mind for Anqelique
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2003/02/22 19:50, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
This has been sitting in my outbox, I was going to let it go, because
it appears to me that Dean does not really want his perspectives
challenged... but today's posts move me to send it, after all...
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At 02:36 PM 18/02/03, Dean Robbins wrote:
>Dear Anqelique,
>
>Gosh! How did I get myself into such a deep discussion in such a short
>time on this list. Forgive my presumption, but is this a test? (-:
LOL!! No, not at all.. nor a challenge or a competition. Just a
discussion! :) It is a discussion list, we discuss things. No discussion,
if we always agree!
I am intrigued by your perspective. Enjoying your posts, wanting to
communicate, get to know you better.
> I did not imply that the women were competing out of suffering, I was
> implying that their competing with each other was responsible for their
> suffering.
OK. Thanks for clarifying.
I wonder, what makes you think they are suffering? I got the impression,
from Felix's description, that they were having fun. Amusing themselves and
each other.
Have you known any exotic dancers, personally? They compete, but they
also share and take care of each other, like sisters.
> If there is a winner, then there will have to be a loser, and the loser
> will suffer.
There is such a thing as losing gracefully... :) Loss and suffering is
an ego judgment, move beyond it and loss makes way for new growth and
abundance. Death leads to rebirth. Destruction makes way for creation,
necessity the mother of invention.
There is such a thing as win/win. The women learn from each other,
which will advance their careers, in the long run. They can take what they
learn to improve shows at other strip bars, and so increase their income.
I have had a lot of commission sales jobs, and there was always
competitions. The purpose of competitions was to motivate the salespeople.
The winners got a prize, but they also had to give a talk sharing their
success secrets. The competition inspired creativity and invention, and
also became a forum for sharing secrets of success, for growth of the
whole. I seldom won these competitions, by the numbers but I won through
the motivation and growth, learning experience.
The only losers where those who decided they were losers, and chose to
be hurt.
The act of selling itself, is a numbers game. You cannot close every
sale, and if every failure is considered a defeat, then you need to find a
different job! You have to learn to be philosophical about loss, move onto
the next sales call without losing momentum.
Games are no fun, if you always win. They get boring, quickly. Sure,
boring is an ego judgment... but the ego persists, even if we cease to
identify with it.
> > All the competitions in the world, from Olympics to little league to
> poker games... all suffering?
>
>Only if there are losers. The world is a place of duality. You can't have
>one without the other.
Um.. I think you can. It is a matter of perspective. There is such a
thing as win/win, in fact I would say that a non dual perspective would
involve finding the win in "losing" situations. Locating the win, within...
the silver lining. Suffering is a personal choice, optional. If the world
deals you a lemon, cry or make lemonade... ;)
Similarly with rejection... I suffered a lot of rejection in my life,
till one day I realized that the rejections were a gift. They kept me
moving to find the place where I belonged. I still get rejection, but I see
it as part of a divine navigation system. In duality, there is linearity,
movement, towards and away from.
In non duality, there is nothing to do, nowhere to go... only here and
now... but the body experiences time.
> So male; female, winners; losers, rich or poor, life and death, etc, it
> all part of duality. But If I am to move into the Light where there is no
> duality, where all is One, then I must let go of the world and its ways
> and embrace the Love of God/dess. -- I am gradually begining to
> understand how important this is, because this is how I am deepening the
> presence of kundalini Shakti in my own life.
I understand.. I agree it is important... but in my experience, it is
not the final goal. what goes up must come down. Is it not part of that
journey, to see Divine perfection in duality? My experience is that it
comes round, from escaping the world into nonduality, to returning to the
world and embracing the dualities while still seeing Goddess in All.
Nonduality gives perspective which provides a release from suffering, but
without suffering, we cannot appreciate bliss.
Being and doing both, are important if you are alive and have a body.
Eckhart Tolle expresses this better than me. :)
For me that journey (not that I'm done, yet!) involved seeing the
perfection in duality itself. On the personal and the universal level.
Finding silver linings, which I interpret as the hidden Divine Will in all
events. Part of the wheel, life eats life, death leads to rebirth, shit
makes the flowers grow.
The Japanese "lost" the war, but received so much compensation they
ended up winning in world commerce. They became stronger for it. There were
many losses from WW2, but out of that came the UN and the human rights
movement.
Even here, on the list... the troll got the old list deleted, but out
of that came this new list, spam free and I think, a better system.
Destruction and creation are intertwined. Goddess acted through the vessel
of a troll and Yahoo to motivate the creation of a new K-list cyber temple.
I had been wanting to move the list away from yahoo, for quite a while,
getting tired of yahoo spam ... but nobody else did. They did not want the
effort, there was complacency. Inertia.
Without challenge, there comes decadence and complacency. The fall of
Rome. We live in the richest culture there ever has been in the history of
humanity. Riches solomon could not have dreamt of, in the simple things we
take for granted. Bananas in the corner store, telephones and internet,
refrigeration, central heating. Solomon could not have had a 200 piece
orchestra playing with the touch of a stereo button. He could not have
flown to visit the Queen of Sheba in an hour.
I have attained a non dual state for weeks at a time... and I always
return to the world. From a true state of nonduality, there is no
motivation to do *anything*. Sit on my butt under the Boddhi tree blissing
out for the rest of my life, because everything is perfect and nothing matters.
I'll stay there for a while, and enjoy it, but the body gets restless.
It knows, there was more purpose to my choice to incarnate, than climbing
back into the cosmic womb.
Why feed the body, if it does not matter if it dies? Why write to a
list, or care for a child, or build a temple... why do anything? I'm not
saying duality is not important, it is an attainment of peace and
perspective... but you cannot live on the mountaintop, you come back to the
valley where food grows, while retaining the peace and perspective of the
mountain.
I found that the creative energy of Shakti itself, is a byproduct of
transmuting duality. In nonduality, I do no art. It is the alchemy of karma
transmutation that gives me the creative energy that I put into writing,
painting, websites, cooking, sculpture, sewing, ... doing.
I think of being, nonduality as where I live, home. I leave it to go to
work. Doing. Sometimes, I get stuck in doing and unconditional surrender
takes me home again.
>This is the way of nature in this world. It still belongs to duality. The
>truth is; the world is full of danger, and about fighting for survival to
>avoid danger or death.
Is that the truth? Is the world full of that, or full of love?
Perspective.
>Hence the reason why the ego exists. But when we come to be established
>in our true nature, which knows no death or danger, Where is the need to
>survive or compete to survive.
Yes... where is the reason to live, at all?
> If I surrender to Shakti, to God/dess, and move closer to the Light...
> Will I need to compete where there is no competition?
No. But you may discover enjoyment of the competition for its own sake,
with no loss in losing.
> > I think I prefer Felix's perspective... evolution at work, nature,
> Goddess.
>
>Felix's perspective is only correct if we live by the "ways of the world".
>But "Living the life of the Spirit" requires that we "be in the world but
>not of it".
>We should be in this world with non-dual awareness. -- Some see the glass
>half full, others see it half empty. We should see it, as it IS.
And, which is it? :) You are not seeing it, as it IS. You are telling
me the world is full of winners and losers, etc.
>When I stand on a seashore, I do not want to count the grains of sand.
>That's multiplicity, segregation and separateness. I want to look at the
>beauty of it all. That is Unity.
Yet, without the individual grains, the beauty you appreciate, would
not exist...
>I Hope that's enough for now,
Sure! I write for my own pleasure, your response is your option.
Pleasant to read, but not a necessity. Do what you feel... but please do
respect the list guidelines. A recent post of yours was in styled text, again.
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