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Recieved: 2003/02/21 16:10
Subject: Re: [K-list] please ecuse
From: Rita Metermaid
On 2003/02/21 16:10, Rita Metermaid posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Felix -
:-)
--- felix <felix AT_NOSPAM intrstar.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:24:14 -0800 (PST)
> Rita Metermaid <r1ta_metermaid AT_NOSPAM yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hmmm, do I detect a hint of 'provocateur' in the
> air?
> > :-)
>
> Oh... Never! I would never do that. I am lodged so
> securely in my castles-in-the-air that I am above
> reproach. LOL!!
>
> Are you still interested in that bridge property up
> in NYC I mentioned earlier?
No, but tell me more about that swampland in Florida?
It sounds ever more attractive than NYC since the
blizzard and what not. :-)
>
> > World saviors saving themselves first? Weeellllll,
> > let's suppose that one is beyond being saved
> > oneself... would that mean that it would be futile
> for
> > that individual to still try to work for the
> benefit
> > of all?
>
> What I don't understand is what one or all need to
> be saved from, and who/what decides what the benefit
> of the all is?
Yes, and who is this *they* who decides all of this?
> I got attracted to studying neurolinguistics
> programming because it seem to concentrate on
> providing oneself with options of behavior. One of
> the principles they seem to
> teach is that if you want someone else to attain to
> a
> certain state of being, you must go there yo'self
> first, and that your going there is all that is
> necessary to attain the desired results.
>
> With the question being, if you can't get to the
> state you want others to go... how can you expect
> them to?
Well, not being an NLP student or practitioner, the
playing field is a bit lopsided, but maybe time I
learned more.
If we used a Buddhist model to answer your question
("if you can't get to the state you want others to
go... how can you expect them to?"), isn't that
precisely what the Bodhisattvas are doing? Denying
themselves final enlightenment until all others have
attained it? So they, themselves, lack the ultimate
quality that they are working to inculcate for
others...
> If you can get to the state you want others
> to be at, do you even need to leave your room and go
> pray loudly on street corners?
Standing and praying loudly on street corners? Not
guilty of the praying loudly part, but have a history
of activism that has included standing outside raising
awareness.
The more I think about this, the more it just seems
like teaching. Why do teachers teach? Is it sufficient
for them to never leave their rooms since they already
have attained the state of knowledge?
love and peace,
rita
:-)
PS - Any good books on NLP you could recommend?
PPS - Thanks for your perspectives.
>
> felix
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