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Recieved: 2003/02/18 01:01
Subject: [K-list] Re:This comes to mind-Dean
From: felix
On 2003/02/18 01:01, felix posted thus to the K-list:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:43:56 -0000
"Dean Robbins" <Dean.Robbins AT_NOSPAM btinternet.com> wrote:
>> It's sorta like a big cosmic joke.
>
> This is a duality question, which raises the issue: How
> did we get here? What did we lose? and why did we lose it
> in the first place? and would we lose it again if we got
> back to where we can from? Of course, these are transcendental
> questions and can never be answered with the intellect.
> What you are stating has substance within duality.
> However, from a non-dual perspective... Can there be any
> "coming or going?" To use a Christian allegory: Did Adam
> and Eve ever leave the garden of Eden? -- Perhaps they
> only "thought" they did.
I gnow how I got here.
What did I lose?
Freedom to zip around the universe as it pleased that which is truly me.
What do I have to lose when I get back to that freedom?
"I" don't expect to get back to that which arrived here. A transmutation intentionally created has changed that which I was upon arrival several billion earth years ago.
> However, from a non-dual perspective...
No such thing as a non-dual perspective can possibly exist.
> Did Adam and Eve ever leave the garden of Eden? -- Perhaps
> they only "thought" they did.
Thought itself removed God in the first person from It's state of innocence and non-duality.
It may seem possible to some that instead of the allegorical Adam and Eve (One into two) getting tossed out of Eden, they kicked God out by embracing the fruit of judgement nay-me-d knowledge.
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> This is a classic example of ego at work. And of coarse,
> the ego loves entertainment and the glamour of life. It's
> ego's way of glossing over the bad things to make itself
> look good, when in actuality, it has (ironically) deluded
> itself by not seeing its own self inflicted suffering. And
> as you said about the two girls, they are competing with
> each other because each girl is envious of the other.
> Sadly, the two girls couldn't see it because they were
> too involved with their self created dramas. This is
> another example of ego self preservation , but now it has
> become an aberration. The ego sees that it has to
> "preserve" or "defend" its good character. This imo is a
> classic example of how ego really deludes itself for all
> the wrong reasons. Whereas, (as ken and I were discussing
> in our last post), the true purpose of the ego is to serve
> the human animal for physical survival.
You seem to state that the ego (Whatever that is other than one defined aspect of the tripartite personality made up by some guy in Germany in the last century to serve his own purposes?) is responsible for all the supposed evils of the world. Wouldn't it seem more accurate to accept your own decision-making and ignorance as the root cause? As if the ego was some separate demon that forced you to be something other than what you truly "are"?
Do you 'think' that you are not a human animal struggling with physical survival? Without the ego you would not have a body or the opportunity to meditate and experience your claims.
> > Otherwise, nothing would exist
> > for the Witness to witness and acquire wisedome, and
> > kundalini would be a me-anding-less sha-m.
> Moot point. Mind is such a complex phenomenon. Maybe
> further elaboration is required?
>
> Thanks for trying to find common ground, 'Tis good to chat. (-:
Perhaps mind/seed is the epitomy of unquestionable simplicity and further elaboration would only make physical survival more complex requiring an even stronger effort by what you define as the ego. ;-)
Yes, I like to communicate. What else is there to do?
felix
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