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Recieved: 2003/02/11 07:16
Subject: Re: [k-list] jlb's projections.
From: jlb
On 2003/02/11 07:16, jlb posted thus to the K-list:
At 06:55 PM 10/02/03, jlb wrote:
>>Why? so you can beat me up?
>> Are you inviting me to? It appears you have thrown out these statements as a deliberate effort to provoke me. Asking for a spanking from Mystress?
Oh no... I know you'd love to do it.. ( you've offered several times) so maybe you see the need, but I didn't say anything to deliberately provoke you. I didn't mean anything personal by it. If you took it personal.. then ask yourself why? If anyone else thought I meant it that way.. I apologize. But i'll take my medicine.. like a man.
>> Why class me along with Charles' vampire friend? Why label my activities as "Occult" or "Religion"? You have thrown out some accusations/projections that appear to have zero to do with me. Take them back or explain them.
I take it back. :-) Vampire ? I missed that. But that was my point really.. that she. and a lot of others classify it in that way... and I did also to large extent before I met *you* and started to study kundalini.
>> I ask you for clarification, and I do not get spiritual observation, you give me speculations based on books you have read. Projections.
Yaaaahh ok? Projections. But this.."i'm rubber and your glue; bounces off me and sticks on you" is kinda ummmm... "stylistic" ?
But I think ya wanna be careful how you define what someone else's "spiritual observations" are. I don't think that i was doing that.
>Warrior / ? Pro-Dom ? (brutal, ravishing,soldier/prostitute)
>> Why do you equate pro-domination with prostitution? It is not. Why do you equate the warrior with prostitution or ravishing brutality?
Sure not always. I don't think it is just me. Are you telling me then, that it isn't associated? We got our list hacked... because it's a rather common perception.
(..and it's in the book. Part of the "war is hell" is the rapine, ravaging, torture, plunder, and pillage, and ugly things that soldiers do.. in the name of God, Religion, and "right and wrong" and their cause(s) they lose themselves into) "All is fair in love and war."
Note the question marks too.. there was a blank spot in my "model". What is the female counter part to the soldier?.. and aint Amazon! That was the problem here.. not just a woman with balls. The waiting wife, barefoot and pregnant.. lost into her duty? The career woman? She isn't the Queen, Witch, or lover.. ? So what is she? Someone who's cause is the only thing that is sacred to them. Anything and anyone gets used in the process.
>>The obvious comparison would be the Amazon archetype, the female warrior. Nor would I consider the warrior archetype to automatically be brutal or ravishing. It can be a noble ethic, Beastmaster and Samurai. Chivalry and the hero's journey Campbell spoke of.. the journey inward. "Way of the Peaceful Warrior" by Dan Millman.
Oh.. I agree totally here. I probably should have made another paragraph about that. I see all this stuff with a positive/negative polarity. It can always go either way.. that's the character. The Hero's Journey.. exactly.
The Hero's Journey
The hero's journey is a quest,
A searching for his soul;
And through crusading with a zest
His suffering makes him whole.
He knows the separation pain;
A longing for his love;
That gripping fear, was faith to gain,
And turned to God above.
He's had to navigate by stars;
Knows victory comes with pain.
He's known defeat and battle's scar;
In agony has lain.
A hero has seen comrades fall,
And quiet born the grief.
He's had to understand that all
Can't last until relief.
Every hero secrets this:
That in the fray he quivered;
Not his own hand will he kiss,
He knows he was delivered.
His faith God turned to knowledge
Where fear was lost and gone,
He knows that truth is courage
And strength to just fight on.
The hero's had to stand alone
When others were afraid;
Felt the pain hurt to the bone
When a trusted one betrayed.
Through the path of self-denial,
And defending womanhood;
True heroes have passed virtue's trial,
And returned for evil: Good.
He's had to wait when hope was thin,
And reasons seemed unfair;
Go only on the strength within,
And trust that God was there.
Returning home a hero's made.
Real heroes must come home;
To humbly stand the glad parade,
No longer need they roam.
They come not home in coat-of-arms,
Nor brandishing their blade,
But courage to face-off with harm
Heart soft love unafraid.
The hero's journey is the quest.
His soul was never gone.
The journey ends in peaceful rest
When God can say, "Well Done."
7-2-96
>>That is exactly what it is, conjecture. Word games. What does that have to do with spiritual observation? Thinking is not 'seeing'.
So? We should see and not think. ? Is that a better idea.?
>> Study is not spiritual observation either.
I can be though.
>> If you are able, I invite you to take a *genuine* spiritual observation of me. Based on what you appear to think "spiritual observation" is, I doubt you are able to do so... none of what you write has the clarity of the "Witness" state... but you are invited to try.
Honestly.. i "see you" with a lot of respect. I've come to quite enjoy your insight. Even the flames ! I was very touched by your little girl story. And I don't really profess to have any thing psychic mystic or visionary ...other than some poetic/prophecy... and only when i have a real reason. I started a poem for you one day.. and the muse didn't speak. So I put it aside. :-)
But this "witness state"... is a provocative challenge.. i'll give it some serious thought. Mostly.. i don't really say much of what I think, but you invited me to so I did.
agreeing mostly,
~~jlb~~
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