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Recieved: 2003/02/09 18:19
Subject: Re: [k-list] Re: Believing seeing
From: white magic zon
On 2003/02/09 18:19, white magic zon posted thus to the K-list:
>Hi Felix,
Thank you for your reply. And what you write, makes me happy, for it means
to me that you read between the lines and between the perspective given by
some values I stated. Here are my answers to your questions. I hope they
suffice.
>Hi ATL,
>
>Doesn't it bother you a little to be possessed by this type
>of "knowledge" and knowing? Did this knowledge you share with us about
>ancient customs come to you through your kundalini experiences, or by
>reading other people's words?
> I don't feel possessed in any way, "to be " will always come before any
given meaning. Though knowledge in any form has a price. I remember knowing
before I could read. Reading other books learned me the necessary symbols
and language to communicate, and reading also brought me to new ideas.. Why
should I invent the weel again?
Kundalini is also a symbol, it gives me strength to think that a web of
ideas which were supplied by all those people and avatars who have
experienced it before and now, can "catch" me if I fall again Yes, I
believe that many visions are given to me by some energy friends I have. In
that way, I'm just an instrument, like a computer (ha ha). It can only
generate what is was meant to do. Right? But I didn't programme myself,
really. Though I like to think that I am a self-learning system of course.
If you ask me whether I have seen the snake, then the answer is yes, and
the snake went trough me, and the energy tickles, like a roller-coaster
sometimes.
>In consideration that "I and the
>word was with God." Are you not using the word to create the
>impression you desire by what you have written about writing
>and the use of symbols. Do we not use words to create that
>which is cycle-reasoning and make it true because we want it
>to be true, and therefore act as Gods. Are we not surrounded
>by the very world we created with our words to form the
>world each of us live in.
Yes, you are absolutely right I think, words create there own justice and
legitimation. This is the danger of all symbols and languages. I believe
that, though communicating with words is not pure and always biased -as is
almost every inner expression- communication is essential to contact. It is
to me.
"In the beginning was the word": even these words are only words, aren't they?
They are beautiful and it is a form of magic. Some magic is word-magic.
>Do you trust writers? You appear to have a wonderful command
>of words, and I assume because you are writing from the
>Netherlands that you are creating these wonderful images in
>a second language, and it simply makes me wonder what
>wonders you might create with that language which is most
>native to you.
I really thank you for this encouragement, for sometimes I really wonder
whether it is a wonder. "To be" is not easy, it's been a tough struggle.
Sometimes I think and feel that I'd better write nothing at all. Sometimes
I want to destroy all I've ever written. And sometimes I feel ashamed to
myself, and find my words hollow, empty. And I think, "Doesn't a gesture
count for 1000 words?" Then again, for now, I can't be everywhere, not really.
I accept the writing of some writers, when I see this fit. I usually
recognize what I'm looking for, it's the way I pick books. I don't pick
writers.
Fist I see images then I translate them to words and action. Lucid dreams
maybe?
>As a masterful writer, probably in several languages, and
>having seen the results of your talent sway people to your
>point of thinking time and time again... Do you trust people
>like you to creat the world you want to live in? Can you
>trust the knowing they provide you with after having
>witnessed how people have trusted you, because of your
>talent for writing?
I wouldn't say that all your presumptions are necessarily true. I don't see
myself as a masterful writer, for example.
In every new day lies a new lesson. Every new encounter with a rock, a
child, a spirit or emptiness, is a possible new lesson, I think. To trust
is a choice I made, why should I distrust? Why should the meaning and value
of my person depend on what other think? Though it is very nice for my ego
to have some sort of acknowledgement.
>Are you prepared to swear that you "know" what you write and
>create every time you take pen in hand or go clickety clack
>on your keyboard? If other writers are anything like you
>are, that is, simply another man playing God by wielding the
>Word, how can they be trusted anymore than you trust your
>own "knowledge"?
I would never ask for anybody to trust me, why should you? It's your choice
not mine. I trust that what you write felix, is what you (anyway partly)
are. I feel that " Knowing" doesn't really exist, Felix. Nobody knows
anything, neither do I. Who says I exist? To exist is just an axiom. If you
know you exist, then that's your gnosis, right? I can only swear to you
that I'm trying "to be"
Greetings and hail, may the light be with you,
ATL
>felix
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