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Recieved: 2003/02/05 06:31
Subject: Re: [k-list] Sleep Paralysis
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2003/02/05 06:31, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
>> The big difference is one of consensuality... and that is a very big difference indeed, like the difference between sex and rape.
At 03:55 PM 04/02/03, felix wrote:
>Yes, this makes a lot of sense. There would obviously exist
>a huge difference between consenting to an experience, and
>being subjected to one forced by biochemical instinct
>patterns. As far as a safeword is concerned, could I assume
>this is an agreed upon solution between dom and a sub? Maybe
>I was thinking more of a sadist and masochist situation.
Still uses safewords... except for the very rare players who are at a level of trust to choose not to use them, and even so the play is still negotiated, consensual. If it is not consensual, it is assault.
> Your brief description of fetishists appear more consensual than
>de Sade wrote about.
Yeah, I kind of wondered what kind of experience you were talking about, that did not include knowledge of safewords. De Sade was writing about *fantasies*... doing what he wrote about non consensually would land you in jail... where he spent much of his life.
>Originally, my thinking/wondering seemed to concern itself
>more with the notion that the emotional response associated
>with sleep paralysis might condition someone to seek bondage
>according to whether that emotional response was experienced
>in a positive or negative way, and whether seeking to
>reproduce that emotional response in a controlled
>environment was based on their sleep paralysis experiences.
Nope. Sexual orientation is usually inborn... although I have observed that mummification is popular with people who had a caesarian birth. Like they are instinctively trying to create the experience of being squeezed in the birth canal, that they missed. Not every caesarian becomes a bondage enthusiast, tho.
>I guess I have issues with the way some people use the term
>"ego", such that their descriptions leave me wondering what
>they are really referring to.
My definition.
http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/spirit/ego.htm
>Ego death, in this regard, might seem welcomed as a relief
>from humiliation, even though humiliation does have the
>power to induce humbleness or modesty, or at the very least,
>caution of an extraordinary vigilant nature.
It is really more about a lack of self consciousness. Less concern with appearances positive or negative.
> Whereas a death
>of the ego aspect of the tripartite personality of id, ego,
>superego, might exist as another can of worms.
Ego dies, ya grow a new one. The difference is, you can observe it's antics without having to act on its desires.
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