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Recieved: 2003/01/29 08:11
Subject: Re: [k-list] Helping others....
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2003/01/29 08:11, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 06:18 PM 21/01/03, Acara wrote:
>Acara: This "dilemma" and "confusion" and questioning
>on the list rather amazes me!
It amazes me even more, that you have never considered these issues, yourself. Hmmm... where have you been?
Hmm.. top-down awakening, not yet gotten to a place of wrestling the shadow... which is what Charles was speaking of.
>On one hand there are
>posts of following Goddess/God within. Posts on
>duality. Posts on trigger words from yogic
>traditions. Posts that if we see a place to operate as
>a healer, that we are in need of the healing. (cross
>referenced brain wiring.)
Cross referenced?
What you see, is yourself reflected. Cosmic law, the nature of perception, itself. Like... duh! :)
If you think someone is in need of healing, then they are reflecting an aspect of yourself back to you. There is an aspect of you that needs healing. Kind of obvious, really. :) Take the stone from your own eye, yadda yadda...
The title of the thread itself, "Helping others"... is a duality-based thought. There are no "others". You are all that Is, and all that you see is yourself reflected. Thou art Goddess, and need nothing.
> Somewhere in all this,
>aren't most following some sort of tradition or lead?
As Goddess wills. Most of the people on this list are pretty independent. As Gandhi said, "the still, small voice within is the only tyrant I will accept." Those who have a guru tend not to be drawn to the list.
>Don't you think that if one looks awry at themselves
>or others because of using energy to help another,
>they should also look awry at the Masters, Teachers,
>Yogas and all the traditions of religion and medicine
>people since the beginning of time?
Sure, why not? Examine everything. See what resonates, and what commentary the heart voice has to offer. Even something as apparently simple and straight forward as the "Golden rule" can have pitfalls when placed into a more literal or different context.
Swami Beyondananda on the Golden Rule:
"It seems that when masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they become sadists. Consequently, the Golden Rule has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
Nice, funny example of shadows and duality hidden in assumptions that are not questioned... :)
> There is no place
>for the concept of tSamara tianmaratian? Jeez...
The who? Whazzat?
>I can not buy into the idea of allowing a baby to
>drown, rathinterfereinterfer with the child's karma.
OK for you. You seem very attached to that metaphor, and are projecting it inappropriately onto this discussion.
Personally, I am more interested in how it is that water born babies know how to swim, naturally and western medicine babies don't. Interesting karma, eh?
We came from the water, it is part of our evolutionary path... why we are hairless apes with a layer of fat under the skin like a whale, with noses that point downward and what little body hair that remains, arranged in a flow pattern. Being able to swim is body instinct, not being able to, is aberration.
>What's the difference in that and what's being said
>here about helping others in a healing?
Instinct vs premeditation vs "good intentions" vs... there is a difference. Most people would not think twice before rescuing a baby, it comes of a zen no thought action. Dharma. A "no brainer" ya might say... :)
Whereas, other forms of healing that involve thought, judgments etc can be projections that do more harm than help.
The Spanish Inquisition thought to "save" the sinners by torturing them to death... ditto for burned witches. Some healers are less dangerous, but equally misguided.
> Now,
>if you can let that kid drown, you've
>arriveCongratulations state. Congratualations!
Sarcasm, eh? You really have never considered the subtle implications of being a healer? Really??? I find that to be common with "new age" types. :)
The very act of healing, sending healing, that there is another outside of yourself to be healed... these are all duality based, and where ever there is duality there is a karmic action/reaction effect that must be considered. Every action, an equal and opposite reaction. A shadow side to the coin.
So many things that are considered positive, and never questioned in normal duality-space, turn inside out and backwards if you try to carry them into nonduality. Look at them in the "ugly mirror" of All that Is and they turn inside out and show their shadow side.
Faith, hope and charity... Faith is not inner knowingness, it is not the certainty of Dharma. Hope turns into fear of the future and a desire for control of what will be, charity turns into a projection of need and inability to manifest... also controlling.
That does not mean there is not a place for them... but those who are moving into nonduality, get into the habit of looking for the shadow side in everything.
>I do not understand the central questioning of use of
>kundalini.
A very central question, indeed and I wonder, that you have not questioned it. You are simply not there, yet... perhaps that is why you are here.
You wrote elsewhere that you are in a "Dark night" phase... you do not appear to be there, to me... but, if it is so then your not having questioned these things, is no surprise... and questioning them is the way to the egress. :)
Dante wrote, that above the gates of Hell it is written, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here". Sage advice for the underworld traveller. Hell is a timeless place, and hope is not surrender. Hope is ego.
> Are we talking about the same energy here?
I don't think so. I think you are talking about prana.
> Did I make a wrong turn coming down the hall and get
>into a semantics list? If you are able to channel
>energy to aid others, surely you know that and are
>called to do so.
Semantics, indeed. Generally, most people "use" prana. Kundalini "uses" them. Talking about "using" kundalini is like talking about "using" God-dess. Arrogant. Kundalini is the energy of Cosmic consciousness, we are its tools, not the other way around. K is to be surrendered to. Trying to use or control it is resistance.
> If you do not have this ability and
>use of energics, you will not be lead to this path,
>nor be able to use the energy in that manner.
Not so, unfortunately... We are given enough rope to hang ourselves. :) So it is, we learn the wisdom of surrender.
> Shaking
>head, just don't understand healers and humans who
>would say they would let the baby drown if aid was at
>their call.
You are the only one who is using that rather dramatic and simplistic metaphor.
Babies are helpless... most humans who seek healing, are not... tho they may have chosen to believe that they are, and be very invested in finding and creating a co-dependent relationship with a "healer" who thinks so too. I have been on both ends of that stick.
>Second place, we heal no one. We provide the energy
>to increase the vibration of the other person. That
>person has a will, and there is always a Will greater
>than theirs or ours.
Well, there are your semantics clarified... :) Kundalini is the greater Will. So, why not simply hand it over to the greater will, in the first place?
Energy transmission, vertical vs horizontal. Goddess provides.
It is a different way of working, and I find it to be much more effective. Ego says "I provide the energy to increase your vibration."... there is effort involved, and ego judgments of their inferiority, their need and inability to provide for themselves. Horizontal, person to person.
Whereas, "Namaste", or "Goddess give to them as you think best, thank you very much" is effortless, and more powerful because it engages the infinite instead of the limited human mind and energy. Vertical. Send it "up" to "Goddess has it handled", and Goddess within them (namaste) does what Infinite mind sees best.
Blessings...
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