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Recieved: 2003/01/22 21:03
Subject: [k-list] Re Helping and stuff....
From: Charles Portugal
On 2003/01/22 21:03, Charles Portugal posted thus to the K-list:
> > On reading my original question did you respond or not respond because:
> > a) i had invited help therefore you felt it was fine to oblige.
> Sure, I responded because you invited responses and I was in
> the mood to indulge you. So, I sez to myself, "Why the hell
> not?"
Hi Felix.... it was a rhetorical question.
> > b) you refrained because you didnt want to create a karmic debt.... and
therefore left the baby drowning so to speak.
> Pretty harsh allegation. Guilt trip?
Certainly not. Im sorry if you read it as one.
> c) spoke up because your ego felt the need to be heard.
> Yes, I have an ego. I haven't figured out how to survive
> without one. The only people I have encountered that don't
> exhibit egoistic behavior are catatonic, and I'm suspicious
> of them. lol
lol... couldnt agree more.
> d) kept quiet because you feared being judged.
> Again, this seems like a contentious guilt trip you seem to
> enjoy inflicting on what might be fairly innocent people who
> might not feel as if they must feel compelled to let your
> conscience be their guide.
Are you having a laugh?
I was attempting to highlight that the decision to help or not help someone
could come from a multitude
of places. They were examples that sprung to mind. Of course there are times
when people
don't speak up for fear of being judged. I can only say that because I have
been that person
before and probably will be again. In fact come to think of it, I could
attribute all of those examples
to myself at one time or another. I could have gone to x, y and z and
suggested
things like "because you have been possessed by the devil" but I thought
my point was already clear and also I dont remember the last time I was
possessed by a devil
How do you know what I enjoy doing? Is that what you enjoy doing? Seems like
it!
> > e) didnt entertain it because there is no answer.
> > f) etc, etc, etc..................
>
> I responded in the way that I did to challenge you to look
> at things from a different perspective. Quite noticably, you
> did not respond to my response, which leads me to ask why
> you didn't have the graciousness to acknowledge my response
> by answering the following questions. ;-)
> a) i had invited response therefore you felt it was fine to
> ignore me.
> b) you refrained because you didnt want to create a karmic debt.... and
therefore left the baby drowning so to speak.
> c) spoke up because your ego felt the need to be heard.
> d) kept quiet because you feared being judged.
> e) didnt entertain it because there is no answer.
> f) etc, etc, etc..................
Fairly funny. Do you feel better now?
Now Im going to answer your rhetorical question seeing as (I quote) "you
exist as a adherent of the Golden Rule. "Do unto
others as you would have them do unto you." What we do to
other people is what we want them to do to us."
The list below were not questions they were were a small sample of
possibilities drawn from my own experience.
I think also that you will find that the last email I sent was my response
to you and everyone else. I didnt know that it was
gracious and the done thing to respond to everyone individually - so I sent
a group response. Are all of your offerings
conditional? Aways looking for something in return? Don't you give
unconditionally Mr Felix?
But having just rescued your original mail from the trash to re read your
offering I can now tell you that my individual response would have been.....
g) didnt entertain it because 1) I didnt understand what you were trying to
say because any help you were trying to give
got lost in the patronising tone of the mail. Also it 'seemed' to me that
your mail was coming from a need to be a clever clogs,
to make people laugh at someone elses expense and with no real desire to
help at all. Forgive me if I was mistaken,
cos Im not sayong that is how it was sent but that is how it was received.
And it didnt bother me just one of them
that aint worth the time or attention. The only one in fact! So its choice
that you should be the only person moaning about not receiving
a personal reply ;-)
> > Only the individual really knows where they are coming from and can
refelect on their motivation to help because every case is different.
>
> Well! Another platitude to live by... eh? ;-)
What are you trying to say. You smarty pants quips are either too smart for
me or dont make sense. Or are you just having a dig for diggings sake? I
dont get you.
Love and light
Charles ;-)
P.S. I really hope my "thanks for the help" email wasnt received by everyone
the same way it was received by Felix. Because I am genuinely grateful to
you for taking the time to write and more importantly for just listening and
being there and not writing. A response certainly wasnt necessary. In fact
what I found was that in just writing the mail I started to get the answers.
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