To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/01/19 01:41
Subject: Re: [k-list] Dreams, Astral Hell, Psychosis, and Entities
From: Acara
On 2003/01/19 01:41, Acara posted thus to the K-list:
--- mundane zen <gutrek AT_NOSPAM hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Feeling you're going crazy -- gee, what a unique
> experience for a K. person
> -- LOL. I used to fear I was losing it and would
> get these panic attacks,
> which would just serve as fuel for the fire -- like
> the Ouroboros --
> consuming myself. Even when the feeling wasn't
> present, I lived with the
> constant anxiety that it would recur.
Acara: Sounds like you have been there, too, Mundane
Zen. I really enjoyed your comments.
Yeee what a trip. LOL. When I first started to dip
into other dimensions, it was horribly frightening.
Back then, there was not much literature on it. I was
fortunate to have family going through similar
experiences, which helped somewhat. I think that is
what is so great about the lists because we can
exchange experience. Instead of going through this
alone, others can hear someone say: Hey, it's okay.
You are not nuts. Just get rid of that fear and
starting working on what you are seeing that can scare
the water out of you. Thank you for recognizing the
"Intent" of the post.
>Mundane Zen wrote: Oh, but that was so long ago.
Living in the moment,
> learning to channel the
> energy thru Kriya Yoga, and letting go of the ego's
> desire to control
> resulted in the transformation of fear into bliss.
> The greatest horror had
> become the greatest blessing; loosing control had
> become transcendental
> awareness, and an answer to the age-old question
> about life and death.
>
Acara writes: Too, I learned how to handle some of
these things on other levels beyond observation. But
yes, agree with you.
This "closing the door" seems to be a key point. As
> physicist David Bohm
> says (and I paraphrase), "things are valid only
> within their own realm".
> Did Newtonian physics suddenly become wrong in 1905
> when Einstein published
> his Theory of Relativity? No. Newton's formulas
> still works in the realm
> of cars and apples (low mass and low velocity), but
> they break down in the
> realm of subatomic particles and celestial bodies
> (high velocity and large
> mass). v = d / t works for cars, but when measuring
> the speed of electrons
> you have to use Lorentz transformations and factor
> in the speed of light.
>
> It's the same with mixing the astral realm with the
> physical realm. You run
> into problems. If you take LSD, opening the
> floodgates of the subconscious
> and releasing the inner gods and demons into your
> waking consciousness,
> you're asking for trouble. If you try to discuss
> 12-strand etheric DNA with
> a biologist, he/she is going to regard you as a
> crackpot. So, when entering
> different realms, be sure to close the door behind
> you.
> I don't think the reality of brain wiring theories
> and astral experiences
> are mutually excusive. They're just different
> realms. Thus, you don't have
> to make a choice between accepting one or the other.
> They're both valid
> within the appropriate context.
Acara: Agreeing with you in part, Mundane Zen. It is
a good point. But, mine was when someone denys the
experiences that are coming to them through kundalini,
and seeing the things many of us see, we have a
decision, either to say it is another realm, or we
need therapy. The flip side is also a point to
consider. I have seen people become "bliss bunnys."
I wanted to. LOL. It can be tempting, but feel it is
also a loss of contact with the physical plane. This
may only be a part of what we are, but it is crucial
to function on this plane as best we can.
>
>
>Mundane Zen wrote:
Ah, this is key. The problem with all the
> reductionist, mono-materialist,
> cognitive theories is that they don't adequately
> account for this simple and
> obvious attribute we all possess -- awareness.
> Developments in artificial
> intelligence (AI) are resulting in increasingly
> sophisticated programs, but
> they do all their information processing blindly.
> They are not aware of
> what they are doing. Many cognitive scientists
> believe that awareness will
> simply emerge from AI once a certain level of
> complexity has been reached,
> but having been a programmer for over 25 years
> myself, I just don't see how
> this is possible. How is a conscious observer going
> to suddenly appear from
> blind mechanical processing algorithms?
>
> The materialists wait for neuroscience to eventually
> explain the nature of
> consciousness, just as many mainstream Christians
> wait for the return of
> Jesus. Yet I doubt either group will get what they
> expect. The
> materialists will realize the nature of
> consciousness in a flash of insight,
> and the mainstream Christians will see the return of
> Christ like "lightning,
> which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to
> the other" -- Luke
> 17:24, not in physical form, but in the realization
> of ones true Self.
>
>
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