To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/12/29 11:48
Subject: Re: [K-list] Kundalini vs. kundalini question
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2002/12/29 11:48, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 04:05 AM 29/12/02, Karolina Lindqvist wrote:
>söndagen den 29 december 2002 02.05 skrev Mystress Angelique Serpent:
>
>> Kundalini Yoga Copyright Yogi Bahan... :) One would not think such a
>> simple expression could be copyrighted, but there ya go.
>
>Oops, so you can't say "kundalini yoga" without infringing on that copyright?
I guess... mostly it means it refers to a particular method created by that yogi, rather than any kind of yoga practiced by Kundalites. There are quite a few various scandals around his organization, as well... it has its detractors, and a web search would lead you to a number of critiques, but some folks like it. Co-moderator Jason B. in particular likes to recommend it, but I am neutral on the topic.
>> Some would say, people get enlightened easier these days coz the earth
>> vibration is higher. Could be true, could be balderdash. Could be people
>> are deluding themselves about their attainment... (including me!)
>
>I sometimes wish there was a kind of measuring machine that could mesure the amount of delusion and the amount of spiritual enlightment. As easily as
>taking the blood pressure, or something.
Wanting the mysteries to be quantifiable? heh...
First, we would have to agree on what enlightenment means...
>> Self realization is
>> realizing you are the Self. Thou art God.
>
>The problems come when different persons realize different things about the
>self, come to different conclusions, maybe even contradictory.
Why see it as a problem? It is different things to different people, and always will be. Three cheers for uniqueness.
>> Nor does enlightenment preclude losing all emotions. Jesus tossed the
>> traders from the temple and cursed a fig tree to death because it would not
>> give him any figs. Yogananda's Master Yukteshwar was well known for a sharp
>> tongue and ample use of the Master's cane. "Whack whack, enlightened yet???
>> No? Whack whack... "
>
>In India there are many stories of big "englightened" persons, with a bad
>temper, going around and cursing people who they don't like. But there are
>also stories about how some of them get into deep trouble because of that.
Deeper than being crucified? :)
>I think it appears like there are degrees of enlightment and realization. So
>that little enlightment (like a small light is shining on you) is realatively
>easy to get, but it is getting harder and harder. At some point you get
>enlighted enough to reach "liberation". And I don't have the faintest idea
>about how much is needed for that.
I think, part of it is realizing that seeking is not having, wanting creates wanting, and realizing you are perfect just as you are. Eventually, the whole game of "seeking" turns inside out and is discarded as illusion... and you surrender to being human. Unconditional self acceptance.
>> Muktananda had several sex scandals, Sai Baba is a notorious pedophile.
>> Osho liked his gold and Rolls Royces... so does this mean they are not
>> enlightened? I think, it means they are enlightened and also human.
>
>As I see it, as long as you have such cravings, you have not reached
>enlightment enough for liberation. This simply because there are no children
>to rape, or no Rolls Royce's outside of the earthly existence.
I dunno. It is easy to judge from the outside, but the inside sometimes looks quite different. The story goes, that Osho's extravagance was a collossal joke on the unimportance of the material.
If Goddess is All, then She is also pedophiles and Rolls Royces... seeing perfection in it, is the individual challenge.
>We are here
>because we have cravings for earhtly enjoyment, not because some witch or
>some god has put an evil spell on us.
I think, we are here because the experience of loving requires the illusion of other. Goddess gets to know and experience Herself, through the illusion of us.
>But that's me. I have never had the opportunity to get gold or Rolls Royce's.
>Hurting others, like pedophili, is very dangerous, since it creates such
>strong karmic threads that you can be forced to take birth again, so that the
>previous children can get their revenge on you.
Yikes. Hopefully, it is rather so that the children can learn forgiveness... all things have divine purpose.
Blessings...
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