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Recieved: 2002/10/26 13:14
Subject: RE: [K-list] Karma and Responsibility
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2002/10/26 13:14, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 06:02 PM 25/10/02, Rich wrote:
>Dear Mystress,
>
>Well.... I should be careful... I started writing a challenging reply to
>your e-mail and my computer crashed bad. (This is now about 2 weeks
>later).
Heh.
>Well, I am grateful for your writing. It seems so carefully thought out
>but I still don't grasp it the same way you do.
Well, you don't have to. Vive le difference! Except...;) if things are
not working for you...
> I was trying to look for
>the exception. Maybe that was my mistake. But I like to be rock solid
>about something before I take on a new belief.
Not me. I like thought experiments. Try out a new belief for a day, see
how my world changes.
>Is a baby responsible for the karma it accrues from its parents ? By
>this I mean the imprinted (or adopted) karmic patterns of it's parents
>as well as the unconditionally received baggage.
Do you believe birth is a choice? That parents are selected to provide
the qualities needed for the desired life experience?
>The likely answer is yes as the baby caused the conditions from it's
>actions of the past. The baby choose this life etc. At some level it
>asked for that. But maybe not the specific details.
Righto!
>But let me try to understand this from Goddess view...
Heh.
>If karma follows responsibilty and goddess is all then goddess has full
>responsibility and likewise ultimate ownership of all karma.
Right. Responsibility belongs to Goddess... that is surrender. Ego
likes to own things, tho...
>However, If the involvement is extended from goddess and not from ego,
>it's very easy to or unnecessary to surrender as it was never owned to
>begin with. There is no personal responsibility and there need be no
>attachment.
yup, if you can stay there... is that working for you?
>Sometimes great leaps can be made in advancement or expansion by
>allowing the karma to bubble up and then disintegrate through heated
>conflict.
Sure. I recall you getting a few whacks from my Zen stick, awhile
back... :)
>Anyway, where do I go with this... Well in a nutshell. My belief is that
>karma follows the easiest channel. Like water back to the ocean.
>
>If there is an opening karma will easily move to that. It's very
>natural. If a person is weak in one way they attract the karma of others
>on to them. This doesn't mean they are responsible. When a person is
>overflowing with karma it's like there causing a flood into everyone
>with an open channel. Often from my experience people want to avoid
>these types of people as it makes them feel worse as they can't release
>the karma always.
That makes no sense to me. It is still responsibility, to project or
accept. Free Will is Goddess law.
>When a person is filled with love and light they don't take on karma so
>easily.
Yeah no maybe. If they are projecting love and light then they will
trigger karma in others that will flow back to them as the one responsible
for triggering it.
>But when I extend my empathy to someone I give a channel to
>receive their karma. Is this the same as responsibility? Not
>neccessarily in my opinion. If I give someone my empathy I not trying to
>own anything, just to understand better and help them to communicate.
You are taking responsibility for understanding. Be nothing, know
everything. Know nothing, be everything. "Help them communicate"= becoming
responsible for whether they are communicating clearly or not.
>How can I love them better is a question I often ask. How can I remove
>the barriers between this person and I to facilitate greater clarity and
>understanding.
Does removing the barriers really improve the quality of love? What
about loving by being respectful of boundaries? Personally, I can love some
folks better, from a distance.
>I would suggest the *first* action in *resolving* karma is taking
>responsibility for it. Without this there is no way to let it go. We
>can't let go of what we don't own.
Right... but it appears to me that much of this post is you trying to
not own your own tendency to take responsibility for what is not yours.
>But as far as karma following responsibility. I would suggest they are
>very closely linked that responsibility increases as our capacity to
>handle karma does,
Does it? Capacity to handle karma is related to ability to surrender.
>but as far as what karma follows, I would suggest it
>follows that where it can go. To where there is a pocket of emptiness to
>be filled.
Emptiness has two meanings... there is the Zen emptiness, and the
energy-starvation kind of emptiness. If you do not fill yourself from
within, then you do become a trash receptacle for other folks stuff... but
it is because you are hungry, looking to be filled from outside of yourself.
The Zen emptiness is being nothing, so nothing sticks.
>Perhaps, they've turned their own power against themself. Why was Hitler
>so successful for so long? Because he cycled the energy back out to the
>people?
Because there were a few million people giving him energy. Feeding him.
> > Additionally, you have set them up there as your idol for target
> > practice... blame is bombing someone with your karma. Like shooting
> > black magic arrows at them... and the karma feedback from that
> > aggressive action
> > will make things worse... sliding down a deeper and deeper hole into
> > victimhood... not empowerment.
>
>Actually I've noticed for some people they get off on this. They like
>the power it gives them to be blamed and hated.
They are accepting responsibility for what they provoke, considering it
power to be provocative. That is not the same as victimhood.
> > There is more to it.. what you have written is not wrong, it is a
> > perspective. Subtle shading on the meaning of responsibility, and
> > irresponsibility.
>
>I think there's different contexts as well. Karma can follow
>responsibility. But it's more like Karma follows involvement and Karma
>can only be taken over through responsibility and subsequently resolved.
The question is, why do you want to do that?
>Thanks for the post again... And Wow.. What a wonderful offering you
>have regarding the Tummo fire... Please count me in :)
OK!
>I'm curious about how this works... Do you open a channel to allow this
>to work? Is it under control or is it something we learn to work with
>like K?
I dunno. Heh!
Well, I have some ideas. The Tummo is similar to Kundalini and to
Reiki, in that it is a natural part of us... how we kept warm before we
invented clothing. Sleeping, within most people. A Tibetan Tummo master
"graduates" by sitting out all night in the Tibetan winter in a loincloth,
and by morning he must have dried two sets of linens on his (her) back and
melted all the snow in a 5 foot radius. After that, sHe gets a flimsy robe
and that is all they wear, all seasons.
There is no need of that, here... this variety of Tummo is engaged to
burn off karma, and enhance the awakening process. I can get hypothermic,
if my energy is low.>Where or what is the source of Tummo? I'm very eager to understand this
>more....
Where does fire come from? The match? The lighter? The fuel? It is
alchemy. My match is lit, so I can light your candle. In that way, it is a
transmission, but once your candle is lit you can feed it fuel and make a
bonfire, or light others. Tummo is like Shaktipat, in that it is the clear
light... a heat shimmer, but it is also fueled by chi and karma. I observe
that the fire wakes more easily in those who are K-awakened, but it can
also be the cause or source of awakening. So can Reiki, tho.. and it is chi.
There are some that offer Tummo initiation by degrees, like Reiki. I do
not, it is all in one. The initiation unfolds at a rate the recipient can
handle, like flower opening or a package being slowly unwrapped. You can
spark it in yourself, if you are open, just as some people awaken
spontaneously... I did. However, Shaktipat makes and easier awakening and
Tummo initiation is easier than self starting... at least partly because
during the initiation I/Goddess/the fire burns off all major blockages,
clearing the path for Shakti to rise.
>Hope you don't mind the questions and I've enjoyed the discussion in
>regard to Karma and Responsibility, even if it drove me nuts in the
>process.
Heh. I won't take responsibility for that, you are/were already nuts. :)
Love you. Blessings!
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