To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/10/25 18:02
Subject: RE: [K-list] Karma and Responsibility
From: Rich
On 2002/10/25 18:02, Rich posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Mystress,
Well.... I should be careful... I started writing a challenging reply to
your e-mail and my computer crashed bad. (This is now about 2 weeks
later).
So I had to reconsider.... What is this responsibility - Is it one way
of considering karma flow. Does it really matter? Does it make life
easier?
Well the answer I think is yes, but not to think about it. Well, I am grateful for your writing. It seems so carefully thought out
but I still don't grasp it the same way you do. I was trying to look for
the exception. Maybe that was my mistake. But I like to be rock solid
about something before I take on a new belief. Is it *really* this
way... Okay enough of my dribble.
Let's throw a question into the pot.Is a baby responsible for the karma it accrues from its parents ? By
this I mean the imprinted (or adopted) karmic patterns of it's parents
as well as the unconditionally received baggage.
The likely answer is yes as the baby caused the conditions from it's
actions of the past. The baby choose this life etc. At some level it
asked for that. But maybe not the specific details.But let me try to understand this from Goddess view...
If karma follows responsibilty and goddess is all then goddess has full
responsibility and likewise ultimate ownership of all karma. If we
assume the state of being goddess then we are taking our own held
responsibility back to it's source and consequently the karma. This is
how I see this. Really there is no karma for it is only our resistance
to experiencing what is.
In being nothing, we can have it all. But there is no attachment. This
is the thing about karma.
Karma is only felt when there is resistance to it. Being goddess means
zero resistance as there is no attachment. So the karma automatically is
surrendered. The resistance is really attachment to wanting something
different to what we have. A displacement of time. This is the 'cling'
factor - the more acceptance to all that is and the less desire to
change it, the less 'clingy-ness'. But lets consider irresponsibility - This to me is what build karma up,
if not in ourself, certainly in others where they are effected. This is
the generator of karma. So being 'irresponsible' is like dipping our
karma recepticles out into the ocean of life and feeding off the dirt
for a while.
When we need to clean them then we can put them in responsible goddess's
mouth to suck off the algae and the stuck bits until they are nice and
clean again.So the games go on like this for me...
Any involvement means deciding to own (co-create) a bit of creation and
this will continue to until the thing winds-down (no more energy being
put into it) or it's surrendered back and dis-owned (dis-created). But
with involvement does not necessarily come responsibility. I can be
involved but detached. Like getting drunk and doing something silly or
like being reckless in a game of football and acting mindlessly.
However, If the involvement is extended from goddess and not from ego,
it's very easy to or unnecessary to surrender as it was never owned to
begin with. There is no personal responsibility and there need be no
attachment.Sometimes great leaps can be made in advancement or expansion by
allowing the karma to bubble up and then disintegrate through heated
conflict. Like I wasn't willing to take on someones baggage at work but
the relationship was becoming more tense. Eventually I confronted it and
learnt the person was asking why, why, why about everything. He was
turned against himself in a way. I joked with him and put some basic
questions on the board like why are you here?, what makes you happy?
what is your purpose? And got him to start questioning that instead...
We had many laughs and he seemed the happiest I've seen him for a long
time and eventually asked me if we could do some more things like this
with some ofther people.
So I realised there was a shift but then the person fell back into their
old ways. Anyway, where do I go with this... Well in a nutshell. My belief is that
karma follows the easiest channel. Like water back to the ocean.
If there is an opening karma will easily move to that. It's very
natural. If a person is weak in one way they attract the karma of others
on to them. This doesn't mean they are responsible. When a person is
overflowing with karma it's like there causing a flood into everyone
with an open channel. Often from my experience people want to avoid
these types of people as it makes them feel worse as they can't release
the karma always.
When a person is filled with love and light they don't take on karma so
easily. But when I extend my empathy to someone I give a channel to
receive their karma. Is this the same as responsibility? Not
neccessarily in my opinion. If I give someone my empathy I not trying to
own anything, just to understand better and help them to communicate.
How can I love them better is a question I often ask. How can I remove
the barriers between this person and I to facilitate greater clarity and
understanding.
I would suggest the *first* action in *resolving* karma is taking
responsibility for it. Without this there is no way to let it go. We
can't let go of what we don't own.
But as far as karma following responsibility. I would suggest they are
very closely linked that responsibility increases as our capacity to
handle karma does, but as far as what karma follows, I would suggest it
follows that where it can go. To where there is a pocket of emptiness to
be filled.
A few other unrelated comments below...> Hierarchies. That is what it is with Gurus getting liver disease,
> and why American presidents age about 12 years for every 4 year term.
> Responsibility for what happens, what Is, flows to them, they are the
> decision makers. Leadership.
Perhaps, they've turned their own power against themself. Why was Hitler
so successful for so long? Because he cycled the energy back out to the
people? Eventually he lost his capability to do this as doubt got into
him. It's unshakeable confidence that makes a leader so strong in my
opinion. Such confidence sucks doubt out of people and makes them easy
to be followers.
> They could escape a lot of it by obeying democracy, turning
> decisions back to the people to decide...
But the people as a mass are confused and would start to blame each
other and the system and then we have civil wars. Was it Winston
Churchill who wrote if you can please some people all of the time and
all people some of the time you are doing well.
> Additionally, you have set them up there as your idol for target
> practice... blame is bombing someone with your karma. Like shooting
> black magic arrows at them... and the karma feedback from that
> aggressive action
> will make things worse... sliding down a deeper and deeper hole into
> victimhood... not empowerment.
Actually I've noticed for some people they get off on this. They like
the power it gives them to be blamed and hated.
> There is more to it.. what you have written is not wrong, it is a
> perspective. Subtle shading on the meaning of responsibility, and
> irresponsibility.
I think there's different contexts as well. Karma can follow
responsibility. But it's more like Karma follows involvement and Karma
can only be taken over through responsibility and subsequently resolved.
Thanks for the post again... And Wow.. What a wonderful offering you
have regarding the Tummo fire... Please count me in :)
I'm curious about how this works... Do you open a channel to allow this
to work? Is it under control or is it something we learn to work with
like K?
Where or what is the source of Tummo? I'm very eager to understand this
more....
Hope you don't mind the questions and I've enjoyed the discussion in
regard to Karma and Responsibility, even if it drove me nuts in the
process.
:)Rich... The karmicist
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