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Recieved: 2002/10/06 03:00
Subject: Re: [K-list] How about Some Hard Science
From: José H
On 2002/10/06 03:00, José H posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Ken,
Why would you want to convince materialists with hard scientific evidence?
It is my experience that when they are ready, they will begin to see the
unhappiness in their life, the unresolved conflicts, stress, the fact that
they are usually not doing what they really want in life, and then people
start taking up meditation or some other form of spiritual practice.
Wanting to convince people, in my experience, represents some leftover
restlessness in myself.
But thanks for the links ofcourse, they will be usefull to whoever is
interested.
love and blessing,
Jose
> Dear Brothers and Sisters in K.,
>
> Have you ever been in a situation where you wanted to share the joy
> and wonder of your Kundalini experiences with others, but then found
> yourself confronted by their vehement skepticism? I have, many
> times. One quickly comes to the realization that, unlike most
> experiences, K. is almost entirely subjective. Therefore, there is
> no objective evidence to back-up your claim. Unlike a trip to the
> Grand Canyon, there are no Kodak moments to share, no rock sample to
> show, and no post cards to send home.
>
> K. has been the greatest blessing of my life. Before K. awakening,
> I was a confirmed mono-materialist, that is, I basically believed
> in "what you see is what you get", and that consciousness was
> just a product of the brain (even though I was interested in the
> metaphysical). A while after K. awakening, after I was able to
> channel K. energy through the practice of Kriya yoga, I was graced
> with a few moments of samadhi, nirvana, full awakening - whatever
> you want to call it. These experiences convinced me that my Self
> existed as some kind of energy, independent of my physical body, and
> that it was immortal and full of bliss. Thus I became what is known
> as a dualist, i.e., one who believes that the mind exists separately
> from the brain.
>
> But how do you share this with a non-awakened mono-materialist?
> He/she is probably going to look at you askance and lump you in with
> religious zealots, schizophrenics, dreamy-eyed new agers, or just
> regard you as a credulous dupe. And if you attempt to provide
> evidence by jumping on the pseudoscience bandwagon, and start
> talking about 12 strand DNA, Planet X, the rising Schumann Resonance
> frequency, invisible reptilians controlling our minds, and other
> false and unfounded (albeit popular) fringe concepts, it's going
> to do your credibility far more harm than good.
>
> So, how about backing-up your subjective, yet real, K. experience
> with real objective science? One of the key beliefs of a mono-
> materialist is that the mind is a product of the brain. Yet 1963
> Nobel Prize winner Sir John Eccles maintains this is
> "superstition" (gotta love that word used in this context).
> Eccles holds that the mind exists as a pattern of differential
> energy potential at the quantum level, and exerts its influence on
> the brain by altering the probability of which neurons will fire in
> the neo-cortex. Here's a link to an article on this:
>
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/eccles.htm
>
> Here's another that provides additional theories to those who
> find weaknesses in Eccles Dualist-Interactionism theory:
>
> http://www.enformy.com/$dual.html
>
> Here's a more general article on consciousness that includes more
> detail on the relationship of the dualist mind and quantum
> mechanics, and introduces the well regarded physicist David Bohm
> (thanks for the clue about him, JR!):
>
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/jse.htm
>
> Finally, here's some evidence for the non-locality of the mind
> (i.e., it's not all in your head):
>
> http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/dbem/does_psi_exist.html
>
> So, back-up your experience with some hard science. Maybe it will
> motivate others to try meditation techniques and we'll get a few
> more enlightened individuals.
> Peace and Love,
>
> Ken
>
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