To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/09/27 22:57
Subject: Re: [K-list] Digest Number 1205
From: Lisa Ayers
On 2002/09/27 22:57, Lisa Ayers posted thus to the K-list:
It's times like this that I wish I had more time and
could put my setting for this group on to indivdual
e-mails so I could speak to EVERYONE as you ALL made
such great sense and so many mentaly awakening ones as
well! If I forget to mention you, I apologize in
advance.
First, I say THANK YOU to Hilary and Holly, well and
EVERYONE else too for answering so much for me!
(((hugs))) I know I have a lonnnnng way more to go,
but it seems I am at elast more sure I am on the right
track. :)
A lot of you are making points about "ego" and you
know you really made me think about it and realize
that most of my problems with my "tuning in" that I
have really are based on my ego.
I mean, I am very into justice and equality and
balance. I have always been one to fight against
wrongs or try to save the weak from the bullies, ever
since I was very little. So, it seems that maybe not
only is this the reason I "tune in" to the kinds of
things I do, but even moreso why I want to DO
something about what I tune in to.
It is the "Save the world" or rather "Save Humanity
from itself!" thing, Which, at first we think of as
unselfish, the typical HERO'S response to the
percieved Wrongness in the hero's environment. But
really, it is still an ego response on some level, is
it not?
I am meaning here, it's sort of vain in a way, right?
Like I find myself answering my own question "what am
I to do?" with "You can't do anything." And then it is
this feeling of NO Control that results. This has to
be connected to my ego as it is with all Hero
mentalities, right?
Just what came to me after what all I read of your
posts.
:)
But this leads me to wonder still...
If I am to really COMEPLETELY let go of the "EGO"
and all it's entrapments, then what am I left with
that make me "ME?" or Better yet, what am I left with
that make me "Human?" Is it not our ego that has us to
feel drawn to one set of things over another or has us
respond to things differently?
Some are prone to run from taking a stand against
oppressors, for example, while others will do whatever
they can to fight oppression even when it means they
lose all that matters to human beings in life. It is
seeming that maybe we NEED to have at least some sense
of EGO to be able to connect, protect, reflect on a
HUMAN level within and with out ourselves.
Which, btw, leads me to a point I want to make about
what someone here posted regarding the differences
between the MAJOR "HERO" figures, like Jesus, Ghandi,
etc.,
If I were to answer your question with my first
response
it is YES, yes they are all ALIKE, they may not have
Looked the same on the outside, but for want of a
better expression, they all had at their core, the
same "make up" they had the common "IT" thing within
them that made them all "Tick." Or to put it another
way, they ALL were a certain "TYPE of human being."
Yet, as you point out, they were still not the SAME
human being they were each a different incarnation of
different human beings which lived at different times.
At least that is how it seems.
Of course, when we are dealing with energy or as some
prefer, "spirit" it does not really have to be
contained within only one entity or human shell at one
time, right? So, in a way, all HEROS or "hero types"
are JEsus within and Buddah, and Martin Luther King
JR. and ALL the other Heroes, past, present, and
future, for that matter.
I know that was a whole lot for 2 cents worth, huh?
lol!
But, there it is.
Blessing to ALL! ~*~
Look forward to reading tomorrows posts
--- K-list wrote:
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> There are 18 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: *** Guru Required ***
> From: bhavin_desaiATnospamdatacard.com
> 2. Re: DIY Kundalini vs Outside Guidance (if
> you can get it)
> From: bhavin_desaiATnospamdatacard.com
> 3. RE: POLL: Do you believe the Subconscious
> Exists?
> From: "Rich" <rich4444ATnospamhotmail.com>
> 4. Re: Scriptual support...required vs.
> requested?
> From: Stephen Kowalchuk
> <spkATnospamkowalchuk.org>
> 5. blue clouds
> From: "Ken" <gutrekATnospamhotmail.com>
> 6. Re: Scriptural support for total
> annihilation of the ego, as required by our mod
> From: "Joseph Miller"
> <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
> 7. Re: Re: Ken's Post and my intro to the
> group.
> From: Hbarrett47ATnospamaol.com
> 8. Re: Re: Ken's Post and my intro to the
> group.
> From: druoutATnospamaol.com
> 9. Re: Re: DIY Kundalini vs Outside Guidance
> (if you can get it)
> From: druoutATnospamaol.com
> 10. Re: Energy, POWs, and the World (was Ken's
> Post and my intro to the group).
> From: "mundaneyogi" <gutrekATnospamhotmail.com>
> 11. Re: fuzzy around the edges
> From: "KIMBERLY BURLISON"
> <kimberlyburlisonATnospammsn.com>
> 12. Ego
> From: shellelrATnospamaol.com
> 13. Re: Scriptural support for total
> annihilation of the ego, as require...
> From: druoutATnospamaol.com
> 14. Re: Re: Re: Ego???
> From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
> <mystressATnospamfire-serpent.com>
> 15. Re: eh
> From: OnlyCyclesATnospamaol.com
> 16. RE: Re: Ken's Post and my intro to the
> group.
> From: "Rich" <rich4444ATnospamhotmail.com>
> 17. Re: Re: Ken's Post and my intro to the
> group.
> From: druoutATnospamaol.com
> 18. Re: Re: DIY Kundalini vs Outside Guidance
> (if you can get it)
> From: bhavin_desaiATnospamdatacard.com
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:13:33 +0100
> From: bhavin_desaiATnospamdatacard.com
> Subject: Re: *** Guru Required ***
>
> Elise,
>
> Yes, Samson in the bible had long hair and
> attributed his physical strength
> to it. There is also medical and other historical
> evidence to show that
> there is a relationship between strength and amount
> (quantity and length)
> of hair. There are several words in "Ye Olde
> English" which associate hari
> and strength.
>
> Jack.
>
> > Elise wrote:
>
> > I also had to thing about the biblical story
> > of a man. Can't remember his name now, it is
> > on the slip of my tonque.
> > But who lost his power when his hair was
> > being cut of!
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> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:02:10 +0100
> From: bhavin_desaiATnospamdatacard.com
> Subject: Re: DIY Kundalini vs Outside Guidance (if
> you can get it)
>
>
> Hillary,
>
> Yes, I understand your point although in driving and
> swimming without a
> teacher there is a far greater risk of crashing or
> drowning respectively.
> For Kundalini development the ancient texts take
> great care to warn that
> even a small mistake can reduce the physical body to
> ashes in an instant.
> [There are many cases of "spontaneous combustion"
> that may have been
> related to an unintentional and uncontrolled
> Kundalini release. Accidents
> can happen, even with a teacher, but are obviously
> much more likely without
> a teacher.]
>
> When there is a suitable teacher available then
> clearly it is advisable to
> have that teacher. However, when a (suitable)
> teacher is not available
> then one must "make do" or be satisfied with email
> groups (especially this
> one), internet websites, friends, books, etc.
>
> However:
>
> 1. The key feature that makes the Kundalini
> experience different (relative
> to other subjects such as driving or swimming) by
> several orders of
> magnitude is that it is not as well known as, for
> example, driving and
> swimming. Therefore it is difficult to determine in
> advance whether a
> teacher (or other form of guidance) is required or
> not. The Kundalini
> symptoms may be mis-diagnosed as medical problems
> (although the medication
> will probably not make any difference, and may make
> things worse). Or in
> some cases the Kundalini symptoms may have advanced
> to such an extent, in
> an uncontrolled fashion, that subsequent controlled
> progress is a great
> challenge even with a suitable teacher.
>
> 2. Another aspect that influences people is that
> the Sanskrit words
> Kundalini, Chakras, Guru, Yoga, etc are all
> "foreign" words to many people,
> and may be associated with religion, philosophy,
> etc. Therefore this
> causes some psychological resistance because these
> areas may not be of any
> interest to some people who just want practical
> relief from the symptoms.
>
> At present, I have medium-level Kundalini symptoms.
> Having excellent
> teachers and a life long practice of Yoga has
> contributed to a completely
> safe (but not necessarily "easy") experience. If
> people find the various
> Kundalini symptoms intensely "strange" then you can
> perhaps imagine, or at
> least appreciate, how they would feel if those
> symptoms happened to them
> without any intent or apparent cause!
>
> There was a nice article recently about the Guru
> concept on the
> kundalini_online group.
>
> Jack.
>
>
>
> <<<snip>>>
> > > How many people have learnt driving by
> themselves (or from a book)?
>
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