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Recieved: 2002/08/28 12:27
Subject: Re: [K-list] Shaman Question for Mystress
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2002/08/28 12:27, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 02:53 PM 23/08/02, LBra782595ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Hi Mystress,
>
>I never said I WANTED to be one. Your description from the previous post got
>my attention as I felt elements of it in my own path.
Not you.. sorry. Someone in private mail asked how to be "more involved
with Shamanism". Yikes.
> >Shamanic sickness involves high fevers, hallucinations, transient
> >comatose states, visits from the spirit that claimed you, etc... the
> >sickness may last weeks or months, however long it takes you to surrender
> >to the training, or die. It is estimated that 1/3 of those who are called,
> >do not survive the sickness. The sickness is a cleansing and a testing.
>
>Well that pretty much rules me out.
yup, it rules out a lot of people who want to use the label but don't
really have the credentials.
> >Kundalini may give you ego death experiences, but one aspect of
> >Shamanic training is meeting, integrating the archetype of death itself. It
> >often first shows up as the "Portal Guardian of the dream time" a great,
> >vaguely human shaped black shadow being, that reflects your fear back
> >multiplied with destructive force. It may also show up as the typical
> >"death" image, a cloaked being with a cowl, no face.
>
>Yes, we've met, a couple of times actually. However there was no
>intergration. That IS scary.
Yup. Meeting death is scary enough, becoming it is a whole other kettle
of fish.
> >Demon comes from the latin word Daemon, which means "inner self."
>
>Hmm. I haven't heard that one before, but it makes sense. My personal
>favorite definition of this word come from the greek--there it means "genius"
Heh! Interesting.
> >Witches also take training from the God or Goddess they devote themselves
>too, or >the one that shows up to teach them... but again, the vibration is
>different.
>
>I've studied wicca at some length, but never got around to dedicating
>anything other than my magickal tools to Goddess; unless you count the time I
>found myself coming out of meditation chanting over and over, "I consecrate
>myself to the Goddess."
Yeah, I remember reading abut that... but to me it seemed more Yogic
than pagan or Wiccan. A Wiccan may choose to devote themselves to Kali, but
it does not automatically make them a Hindu or a Yogi.
I was called to become a Shaman of Chacmool, the rain God of the
Yucatan, but that does not make me a Mayan. Chac's teaching were filtered
through my western mind, he used mythology I was familiar with, because
there was no point in my learning the language and details of a long dead
culture. I did get some insights, but they were mostly his complaints about
how the essence of his energy was distorted for political purposes. The day
I met him, he told me the bloody heart sacrifice was not necessary. Later,
he told me it was how the Sun King retained power, sacrificing anyone who
came too close to his attainment, and might threaten his autocracy.
I heard a Mayan traditional Elder speaking at a conference once, still
get email (spam) from him inviting me to take very New Agey-sounding trips
to Mexico... but I have no resonance with what he has to say. A lot of
savior stuff, armageddon stuff... makes me wonder at his authenticity, but
then, the old Mayans had a lot of "good intentions" to the magic.
>Yes, thank you for taking the time to answer me so thoroughly. My path
>seems a bit clearer now. Eclectic, all the way. I guess there's nothing
>quite
>like a well-rounded education.
Yup, I think so. Blessings!
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