To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/08/27 14:20
Subject: [K-list] Re: Miracles
From: Joseph Miller
On 2002/08/27 14:20, Joseph Miller posted thus to the K-list:
Ken,
>They are associated with the lower chakras, specifically, the third, or
>power chakra.
What you describe are psychic powers, not miracles as the term is normally
used, or at least as I'm used to hearing it used.
Psychic powers are NOT a 3rd chakra function, but I see where you are
getting that from. You get psychic powers in several different ways. The
chakras where psychic powers come into play are throat and brow (3rd eye).
But you can get/have them with awakened K when it takes some of the
"inappropriate" nadis. The most common one being Vajra nadi, the sexual nadi
(hetrosexual version).
The 3rd chakra comes into play because of your desire to dominate at that
chakra. When one wants to dominate one uses the tools at hand. The otherwise
looser computer repair guy on the Saturday Night Live skits makes fun of
everyone and beats them down psychologically because they don't know what he
does about computers. Over muscled jocks use threats or beat the crap out of
people. If you have psychic powers, you use them. But they don't come from
the 3rd chakra, they are only called upon from there. If they weren't
available through the nandis you probably would have zip in terms of psychic
powers if you only had an opening to 3rd chakra.
>Afterwards, I had a severe anxiety attack, and I don't want others to try
>my experiment and have the same result. I believe this was because the
>experience shattered the foundation of my worldview. In other words, it
>defied rational explanation and therefore it freaked me out.
What is that quote? It goes something like, "it is not our weakness that we
fear, it is our power that we fear most of all" that is not it exactly the
words but that is the message.
>Based on experiences like this and the realization I had last night,
>I believe the reason miracles are not seen that often is twofold:
>
>1) They reek havoc with either the person performing the miracle, or
>the people that witness it by shattering their fundamental
>assumptions regarding everyday reality.
That and the entire cultural and educational system work to brainwash us
from birth that miracles and psychic powers don't exist.
You are right about the fear bugging people. I had a friend tell me about
his yoga experience. I was shocked he'd had one. He wasn't into that sort of
thing that I was aware of.
Turns out he'd practiced yoga for a while with a teacher I know who mixes in
new age visualizations and other stuff along with the hatha yoga and some
traditional stuff. Frankly some of the stuff is often too advanced for her
students. He set out to do a visualization, or thought that is what they
were going to do. But her instructions were for a more advanced practice. He
suddenly realized he wasn't visualizing leaving his body, he had actually
done it! He could see himself and the entire class, including movements of
those who moved. He freaked and never went back. In fact, after he died I
helped his widow a little. In his vast library there was not one book on
yoga, or any similar practice, no spiritual books of any kind save a Bible.
>2) They are associated with the lower chakras, and are therefore
>tangential to spiritual development.
Not associated with lower chakras, see above, but they are ususally
tangential to spiritual development.
They can help by providing inner vision that one can follow to find a path,
a teacher, etc. But traditionally they are strongly discouraged because of
the temptations they bring. Temptations to expend energy on them and not on
spiritual practice primarily but some people start down the road to the
"dark side" because they realize what they can do and then go off and start
doing it. That is doing selfish actions that are hurtful to others without
regard to the difficulties they are causing others. If you are psychically
aware and have some powers and try it is much easier to make someone fall in
love with you, whether you love them or not, certainly easier to get in
their pants. Not to mention financial transactions, etc.
>In meditation, things don't really start cooking until the heart chakra
>opens up.
That is not true. There are general patterns, patterns tend to be more
gender specific, but even with the patterns you can't count on them. Every
person is somewhat unique, some more unique than others.
In general women have a fairly easy time getting to and into heart, but if
they have problems they show up past heart as often or even more often than
before heart. If you mean problems in terms of blockage, that may cause no
symptoms, it is more likely past heart for a woman.
Men tend to have real problems getting into heart. Sometimes it is
relatively easy for them to get to 3rd but heart is a problem for men in
general. But once past heart men have a much easier time progressing than
women do.
>Nonetheless, I'm curious to see if any of you have had a sense as to
>the source of miraculous or extra-sensory abilities. The scientist
>in me still looks for external confirmation of insights like this :)
Everyone, K active or not, has some psychic powers they just aren't strong
and hence don't tend to be noticed so can't be developed. If you have K
active the potential is far far greater and harder to overlook.
When K enters certain centers in the brain it activates the powers
associated with those powers housed in that center. Before throat K goes up
and down through one of those "not susumna" nadis. Since it is unstable,
going up and down as it does, it is not as easy to keep K in a center or to
return it exactly to that center. Because of this psychic powers are not as
dependable as for people who have gotten K well into throat and past it.
After you keep K up it has an easier time finding the center you want so
your abilities become more and more repeatable and dependable.
You may have over reacted in the area of fear but you won't hurt yourself by
not using psychic powers unless you need to be using them to prevent a
traffic accident or the like. ;-)
Namaste,
Joe
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