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Recieved: 2002/08/23 01:12
Subject: [K-list] 2 sides of Infinity are Freedom and Tradition
From: rkshankar
On 2002/08/23 01:12, rkshankar posted thus to the K-list:
Dear All
I thank Hillary for vast kindness and Hety for deep friendliness.
And, prompted and urged by their support, I am back in the List.
I agree with Joe's dharma of being a warrior for protecting ancient wisdom.
But, one must take up the war only when there is no other go, as a last instance.
In our case, I think Joe has assumed and taken up the war at the first instance.
As born Hindus, at the time of birth, we cast our horoscope.
In my horoscope, the planet Mars is the ruling planet of my nature.
And, the spiritual person animating the planet Mars is called Angaraka.
And, He is ruler of our vital nature and is the god of War.
So, I am by nature very capable of fighting, and I accept my battle with Joe heartily.
Because now, I also see that from our war, great good is likely to flow to us all.
Joe, my enemy, has admitted that I could be mistaken genuinely about Ida, K, etc.
So, he must give me the benefit of doubt that I could still be sincere.
Consequently, Joe must take up and discuss the matter calmly with me.
I never claimed any authority over anything, certainly not in spiritual matters.
Also, I have no desire to teach or pass on anything.
I just share my own experiences with others, from whom I also benefit.
When a situation in this forum forces my inner being to act, then I communicate.
So, there is no point in his claim that I am rewriting any of the ancient scriptures.
Joe is claiming my experience to be a mere imagination.
I already have expressed that K etc. are astral-vital, or thought-prana admixture.
Imagination being the function of thought, his statement only confirms what I had stated.
On the other hand, the rising of awareness to the head, and from there the perception of the whole body,
followed by the perceiving of the aura with its spiritual nerve currents, are all part of thought or imagination only.
The discussion about Kundalini etc is within the realm of the helplessly assumed body-consciousness only.
Again, I must confirm that I have actually experienced the awakening of kundalini.
And, on the two sides of my aura, I do have two astral-vital formations,
which I have understood to be the Ida and Pingala spiritual nerve currents,
and they do merge in the centre at around the spine,
while chanting the Name of the Divine Mother, KAALi.
I do agree that the merger at the centre is temporary.
And, even the temporary merger produces a good deal of joy.
I never practised any kundalini yoga or prana exercises.
I followed the path of devotion to God, integral yoga and self-enquiry
And, I contribute whatever I have practised, whenever I feel I should.
Certainly, at least Hillary and Hety have gained something from it.
And I too have gained by being in the List.
Someone posted about taking the Light to the head, etc.
Another set of people guided me to a book on kundalini
by a devout Christian householder, who experienced Kundalini.
In fact jut now from Joe's writing, I have understood that in Kundalini yoga tradition,
Kundalini, the individual and the Prana are 3 distinguished elements.
However, my experience and understanding of ancient scriptures have been different.
I do agree that there will be higher experiences coming to me.
When they come to me, I might even have to reverse my opinions.
But until then, I have no choice but to hold on to what I am experiencing
and to what I have perceived as the meaning of the ancient scriptures.
However, as Joe insists, it shall be my duty to write about them referring to the sources.
I also need to keep up the list guideline that full citations are not allowed.
I request Joe to be patient and listening, during the course of our battle.
The spiritual version of Rama Saga, is called 'Adhyatma Ramayana'.
Lord Rama was the same divinity Krishna in Its previous incarnation.
While engaged in the battle with the demon Ravana,
for recovering his own wife, Sita, and to restore the welfare of humanity,
Lord Rama was glowing with Divine Radiance, right at the battle-field.
While waging a righteous war, one can very well be resolute as well as calm.
While I respect Joe's reverence for the spiritual tradition of the East,
I have to disagree with Joe in the contempt for the freedom of the West.
Tradition and Freedom are two sides of the same coin of the One Infinity.
One of course is dumb-founded, at the glorious upholding of the Eastern spiritual tradition
by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniya Swami, in an American physical body.
The Satguru taught Hinduism to the native Hindus of Sri Lanka and India.
But, one is equally astonished at the glorious denial of every tradition
by Jiddu Krishnamurti, the great philosopher-Seer, in an Indian physical body.
The Seer taught religion through freedom of thought to the Americans and the British.
I do agree that words have to be used precisely to denote the precise spiritual things
according to the established tradition of the spiritual religions of the past.
However, that makes the discussion very unnecessarily scholarly and verbose.
And, after all, the skill in the usage of words, does not make one very spiritual.
It is always the central sincerity and the adherence to spiritual practices
that awakens the sleeping energies and makes one progress spiritually.
Granting that, not resorting to reproduction or usage of exact words,
is not only not a grievous sin, but also a singularly good abiding virtue.
This is particularly so in a forum where people are of different backgrounds.
Had it not been for the British, we would not have had material advancement.
They attacked and exploited us and we fought back and won our freedom.
And, the result is the intermingling of our cultures, that has been good.
We have progressed from a bullock-cart age to the age of air transport.
The Americans have been inventing different computers and languages.
As a chartered accountant myself, I am good at computers and Java 1.1.
It is because of these advancements, we have progressed very well.
And, it is the British who have made English an international language.
So that I am now able to communicate with you all in English.
If spiritual learning is needed urgently by the Westerners,
the material learning is needed more urgently by the Easterners.
It is necessary to preserve the tradition to advance spiritually.
It is also necessary to deny the tradition degenerating into base customs.
It is only the one-sided that will criticise the one and exalt the other.
As an individual, I have always felt my debt to the rishis and sages.
But, there is also a debt to be paid to the Westerners as an Indian.
To pay this debt to the sages and the Western world, I have been translating our
ancient scriptures into English and uploading them on the internet.
I am a member of the spiritual list 'iamATnospamyahoogroups.com' for about 4 years.
Its owner, Jerry, and its other members Andrew Macnab and Yosy
are no doubt Western Christians and Muslims but are my dear friends as well.
And, I have translated the following texts relating to Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi
1) Upadesa Undhiyar 2) Essence of Sadhana 3) Life of Saint Sri Sadhu Aum,
4) Parrot-Eyed Life of Sri Ramana 5) 5 jewels in praise of Sri Ramana.
Currently, I am translating Atma Bodha of Sri Ramana.
All these scriptures are in Tamil, a mantra language comparable to Sanskrit.
Tamil is my mother-tongue, and I studied in Tamil upto Standard 11.
People can visit the website 'www.nonduality.com/shankar1.htm'
My friend Jerry has uploaded all these on his website 'www.nonduality.com'.
Whereas the mantra languages of the East like Tamil and Sanskrit have
the peculiarity that when spoken, they create vibrations in consciousness,
manifesting the contents of the spoken material in astral-vital form.
It should also be admitted that the great Sage Sri Aurobindo,
had rendered English the universal Western Language into a mantra language
when He compiled his glorious overmental English scriptural epic 'Savitri'.
Whereas the Eastern languages have had this mantra nature,
God is also rendering the Western Language English into this mantra-form.
If one reads a couple of lines from Savitri, one will be divinised.
Coming to kundalini yoga, in Saivism it is said to have flowered.
There were two main Saivism
1) Gorakshnath Saivism of the North India
2) Nandinath Saivism of South India
Satguru Sivaya Subramuniya Swami is an American Sage belonging to the 2nd Tamil Saivism.
The 2nd Guru of this tradition is the Tamil Sage Tirumular of the Kailasa Parampara,
the 1st Guru being Sage Nandinatha Himself, a personal disciple of Lord Siva.
He has composed a spiritual masterpiece Tirumantiram containing about 3047 verses in Tamil.
After being deeply impressed by the Satguru's glowing words of praise for Sage Tirumular in web,
once about 3 years ago, I posted an e-mail from Botswana requesting His blessing for the
holy but uphill task of translating this Tirumantiram from Tamil into English.
With His blessings, I commenced this task way back in November, 1999,
and I have thus far translated about 130 Tirumantirams into English.
The Satguru's direct disciple Sannyasin Sivakatirswami and I myself have
been evolving a nearly fool-proof format for an accurate translation into English.
The format is nearly ready and I have put 60 of the Tirumantirams into that format.
When the task gets completed for the first 117 TMs, constituting the prelude to Tantra (canto) 1,
it should be on the website 'www.gurudeva.org' in about 3 to 6 months from now.
For translating all these Tirumantirams, I have taken Sri Gurudeva's Merging with Siva
as the authoritative source text, being the compendium of His Divine Life in the simplest English,
of the entire spiritual tradition of Saivism embodying the subtle elements of kundalini yoga.
Not only that, as commanded by Sri Gurudeva, and communicated to me through Shanmuganathaswami,
I did one year spiritual sadhana of 'Merging with Siva'. by reading and doing what is stated therein everyday.
Because, the text contains spiritual instruction for 365 days, as diary notes by the Satguru
So much for my being grateful in my own way and according with the tradition.
Coming back to Ida and Pingala merging into the Sushumna,
"When you chant Aum, the ida and the pingala blend back into the sushumna.
You will see this actually happening. You will see the pink ida current begin to
blend back into the golden center of the spine. At other times, it is seen winding
through the body. The same happens with the pingala force. It, too, moves back
into the spine, until you are all spine when you are centered in the sushumna.
This is how it feels being all spine. This beautiful, pure energy flows out through
the sushumna and the ida and the pingala and then on out through the body.
This energy becomes changed as if flows the first three of four chakras. It makes
what is called prana. This energy runs in and through the body. It is a great mind
energy which is in the world of thought. All the stratas of thought are prana. The
human aura is prana."
(pages 607 to 608 of Merging with Siva)
As I have always felt, they are astral-vital or thought-prana
or thoughtrons-lifetrons in the words of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
There are many more citations that can be given from the same text.
So much to show that even if my experience and understanding are illusory,
there is no central insincerity or tendency to mislead or even lead anyone.
Yours in God
RK Shankar
> Since it doesn't happen, that is the merging of Ida & Pingala,
> K is felt as one current because it is one current.
> K does not use Ida and Pingala. Prana uses those nadis.
> The energies in Ida and Pingala, lets call it what is it, prana,
> can be used to control sushumna, but they don't merge with it.
> The two outside elements, Kundalini and the individual can only interact,
> or rather can interact most easily using the middle element, prana, as the intermediary.
> If Ida and Pingala ceased to exist, the statement I was objecting to
> RK Shankar he could possibly be mistaken.
> The role of the Kshatriya protecting the wisdom
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