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Recieved: 2002/08/19 07:53
Subject: [K-list] Re: rkshankar's subject change of the day
From: Joseph Miller
On 2002/08/19 07:53, Joseph Miller posted thus to the K-list:
> > he didn't mention any merging of I&P.
>
>" When we begin a religious pilgrimage or retreat into sadhana,
>and we want awareness to dive deep within,
>we have to withdraw THE ENERGY OF THE VIBRATING Ida
>and THE VIBRATING Pingala CURRENT into SUSHUMNA.
>This is quite a chore (unpleasant and tiring),
>because these currents have had energy flowing in them for a number of
>years.
>So, to rechannel that awareness is to rechannel the
>ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF AWARENESS into the SUSHUMNA CURRENT."
>
>Page 605, Lines 22-31, Merging with Siva, ISBN 0-945497-74-1
>So, the above is one of the many supports for what I said in Merging with
>Siva.
Then you have no supports. Reread what you quote and you will find nowhere
does it say Ida and Pingala merge with Sushumna!
I'll grant you this his English isn't the best. But it is clear enough that
it is plain to see he never talks, not once, **even metaphorically** about
Ida and Pingala merging into Sushumna. He speaks of rechanneling awareness.
> > you don't need any external authority
>
>I just said that my personal realisations are my concrete authority
>I am irrevocably bound by them.
I once heard a teacher from an institute here in the US lecturing on
Kundalini. He was relating some of the experiences he'd heard from people
he'd spoken with before. After he completed describing an individual's
experiences he said, "That isn't Kundalini, that is gas." His point is most
are poor judges of the details of what is actually happening to them. People
sometimes go to a psychologist, a psychologist's greatest value is as an
impartial witness to give an objective opinion of what is related to them.
Your statement is why the student teacher system, which you are so certain
is of no value to you since the ancients have so little knowledge compared
to you, is so important. That teacher can explain to the student what is
happening and help the student plan and perform the next step. Your ability
at perception is no different than anyone else throughtout history. It is
just most Hindus before you lacked your oversized ego.
>For then, the actions proceed from my own inner states of realised
>awareness
So it appears you are stating you are enlightened. The traditional use of
"realized" when combined with being, awareness, and several other words is
that one is speaking of enlightenment. How long have you been enlightened?
>Simply because the path followed is different, the experiences of stages
>may also be different.
>The experiences of stages in Saivism and Integral Yoga are very different.
>And, both the systems have had great Sages of repute over time.
>
>For example, in Saivism, we have Satguru Sivaya Subramuniya Swami
>And, in integral yoga, we have Sri Aurobindo.
>In Advaita, we have Sri Ramana.
>
>All are great Sages.
>But, their teachings, methods and stages are different.
>All have taught ancient systems.
But none of these have taught that Ida and Pingala cease to exist and merge
into susumna. So you truly have your own system, not at all ancient nor
supported by any of the great sages in the last 5000 years.
>So, I do not take the trouble of going through the pages I have read, and
>typing out citations from them.
>But, I can do that also, if there was the need for it.
>Since you demanded it, I have done it above.
But you didn't support your original statement, you just quoted a book and
used all the words without the central meaning you stated. Everyone has a
book that will let them do that, it is called a dictionary. What you did has
little value other than demonstrating you have the book and your best shot
could come up with NO support for your position.
>I am not an authority on anything.
You said it, I didn't. But I will let it stand unchallenged.
>And, I do not teach or answer anyone.
>Since I do not teach, I do not also create anything.
>Also, I do not have any approach to cast aside.
You have repeatedly answered questions on this forum and presented it as if
it were coming from some the Vedas or the Rishis. Yet what you have advised
is totally at odds with what they taught.
As I said if you want to dump some new age crap that has no value go ahead.
I haven't studied new age stuff enough to be able to identify the wheat from
the chaff with much certainty so why would I have anything to say.
Just don't lead people to believe it has anything at all to do with the
knowledge of the ancients. Just be up front and tell people you are doing
little more than pulling it out of your butt or making it up as you go along
or whatever it truly is.
Joe
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