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Recieved: 2002/08/16 21:45
Subject: [K-list] What matters to me is what I perceive and not some external authority, however true it may be. They are at best possibilities to my present awareness
From: rkshankar
On 2002/08/16 21:45, rkshankar posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Joe
May be, many of the realised masters still have their Ida and Pingala.
I salute them all, irrespective of where they live and hail from.
Actually, there is one such system called Sahaj Marg.
There, the serpent is raised with Pingala rising in front of the body
and the other two ida and Sushumna are left intact.
In that system, the Master gives transmission and
through the energy of the Master, the serpent rises.
Their 2nd Guru, Sri Babuji Maharaj has stated this.
But in Saivism, the merger of Ida and Pingala into the Sushumna is stated as the first step.
For this purpose, the worship of the Divine Mother is prescribed.
This is prescribed in Tirumantiram by Sage Tirumular.
Satguru Sivaya Subramuniya Swami, a Saivaite Realised Master has also stated
that the merging of the pingala and ida into the sushumna is a first step.
His text 'Merging with Siva' you can refer to by buying it from 'www.gurudeva.org'.
In this text, He refers to Sushumna alone as the passage.
And, to the Ida and the Pingala as the spiritual nerves.
I have experienced myself the awakening of the serpent.
Also, I feel the ida, pringala and Sushumna to be astral-vital even now in myself.
Sometimes, I perceive the merging of ida and pingala at the centre of the spine
This happens when I chant 'Aum KaaLi' a chant in praise of the Divine Mother.
There seems to be a gap there, which I call as Sushumna,
which seemingly absorbs these strong astral-vital formations at the 2 sides of my aura.
But, they come back, after a while, when the chant 'Aum KaaLi' stops.
And, even when the chant goes on, it absorption in that gap
at about the location of the spine, happens only temporarily.
And, such absorption gives great temporary joy.
Lot of work on my inner consciousness remains to be done.
Even simple breathing when used with some powerful chants
without the guidance of a Spiritual Master can explode the subconscious
And, managing the exploding subconscious is not the lot of the ordinary
Further, realisation has to do with the transformation and the final merger of the astral with the Supreme.
Astral being subtler than the vital, the vital need not be touched at all
Simply one can deal with the astral and attain realisation
Even after realisation, the vital will continue until the body's destiny ends itself.
But, the astral would have so completely transformed and repositioned that
even it continues to exist, it would be like a line drawn on water.
What matters is what I actually perceive within myself.
May be, I will evolve to see things differently.
I do not claim to be any great realised master.
Hence, I do not claim to teach or answer anyone either.
I am not pushing my experience upon anyone.
I do not keep up the same topic or line of discussion.
It is true because I do not reply to a query raised by a particular person.
For, that is not the way replies are formulated in my consciousness.
As I peruse the daily digest, some e-mails have contents
having a certain quantity and quality of spiritual energy.
And, that strikes and takes hold of my inner being,
and the answer pours forth from within.
Thinking and answering and relating in a very personal continuous thread way,
is not the line in which my inner consciousness functions.
I read books so that if and when higher experiences unfold within me,
I could perceive and comprehend them in their truer light and could remain gathered.
And, I do not feel any need to believe them.
And in fact, I do not disbelieve them. That is all.
Only so much as I have experienced, I am an authority for.
I only share my experiences, that too, when the question arises in front of me.
Anyone's agreeing with me, does not augment me.
It could only confirm my experience and goad me further on the path.
However, most of the time, when I have new experiences unfolding within me,
the reference to those experiences by certain Supreme Teachers of the Spirit,
already recorded in my subconscious through the reading
of a vast array of unparallelled scriptural masterpieces,
instantly spring up into my conscious mind and confirm them to me.
The same thing I am also able to do for others' experiences,
even though I myself as yet, may not have experienced them.
I also know many experiences which are common to many systems,
but are differently worded in their source scriptures
which I know uniquely because I peruse the scriptures
of all religions with a vast inner equality.
Anyone's disagreeing with me, does not put me down.
For, it may be that the other person has not yet experienced mine.
Or, the other person could have gone far beyond my inner experience.
In any case, my experience and perception remains.
Simply changing the opinion and agreeing with someone,
for fear of being attacked verbally or in writing,
does not at all change my inner experience.
Even assuming that my level of evolution is lower,
that is still part of the overall plan of the Divine.
All systems are formulations of the One Divine.
Infinity cannot be restricted to unfold itself in delimited ways.
Such delimitation and definition of systems of spiritual effort
do have their value and utility to the ordinary people
and for the creation of a spiritual community and
a vast and stable base for collective spiritual evolution.
However, that need not be the last word for the working of the Infinity.
Individuals rapidly evolving constitute a special base for the
working of Infinity and it would continue to be so.
It would be worthwhile to note the saying of the Mother Mary in this regard
revealed to a few selected devotees of God in Bosnia
"The division between religions is only upon this Earth."
Vedas are eternal. They have not been created by any man
Vedas are not scriptures. Scriptures are found inside the Vedas
Vedas are not limited to any rishi or a set of rishis.
Vedas are not bound by any particular system of thought.
Vedas are the vital energy of the Personal God (Ishwara),
who is Brahman with the universe as His body.
So much as is ordained by Ishwara alone,
anyone, including a jnani, can know.
I am a born Hindu, and a firm believer of the Vedas.
However, Buddha attained Nirvana.
And, that I revere too much.
Even though His religion could be non-Vedic.
Vedas being the vital energy of the Personal God,
all realisations are fuelled, unfolded and sustained by the Personal God alone.
So, it does not all matter whether one believes in the Vedas or not.
Again, there is nothing that is non-Vedic.
Thanks and kind regards
RK Shankar
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
> a nadi is not energy it is a pathway for energy.
> Knowing more than one enlightened individual, a few teachers, a few their
> I can find NO text, even from a source of questionable quality, who agrees with your statements.
> It is totally non-Vedic! What system is it?
> Oh, could you keep the same topic/subject line this time?
> You keep changing it so it looks like you never answer.
> We disagree yet again regarding breath control.
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