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Recieved: 2002/08/15 15:25
Subject: [K-list] Re: The nadis and the serpent
From: Joseph Miller
On 2002/08/15 15:25, Joseph Miller posted thus to the K-list:
> >Ida and Pingala do not cease to exist. They are there always.
> >Ida and Pingala. They are not any kind of energy. They are nadis.
>Ida and Pingala are astral-vital nadis
>And, of course, they constitute energy, being subtle.
>That is how, the pull of the aura sideways is experienced.
No. And the heart does not constitute blood, just the pump for blood. Same
goes here, a nadi is not energy it is a pathway for energy.
> >>Ida and Pingala are astral nerves. But, Sushumna is an astral passage.
> >>These two can be merged into the central passage permanently.
> >>And, that is real kundalini.
>I have loosely written the above sentence.
>What I meant was only when Ida and Pingala have merged into Sushumna
>completely
>and ceased to exist separately as such nadis on the side of the spine,
>the serpent kundalini can rise clearly up the Sushumna.
>Otherwise, it will rise up and fall down more speedily.
>
> >Sushumna is a pathway, a nadi, as are Ida and Pingala.
> >They have different natures and purposes but all are vital.
>Ida, Pingala, Sushumna are all astral-vital.
>Ida and Pingala have contents, you can say filled astral-vital tubes, or
>astral-vital sticks
>Sushumna is an empty astral-vital tube.
>The serpent is also astral-vital only.
>When Ida and Pingala merge into the Sushumna,
>then the Serpent is ready for launch up the Sushumna passage.
>
Knowing more than one enlightened individual, a few teachers, a few their
good students, I can tell you that they still use Ida and Pingala often. If
you have trouble going to sleep manipulating the energy in those two nadis
is the quickest way to deal with it (unless it is due to serious problems,
then you have to fix those).
Since K ceases to rise and fall after throat is entered (until after
enlightenment when it again returns to the root chakra to rest, but that is
totally different). Your ideas would mean I&P would cease to exist long
before enlightenment. Based on that I personally know dozens of people whom
you would say have no I&P. A larger percentage of them use I&P as a part of
their practice. I know their teacher, I know the common to all students
techniques he uses and alternate nostral breathing is a daily practice for
all. Without I&P that practice would do little or nothing, it would not
impact Kundalini.
They DO NOT cease to exist. I can find NO text, even from a source of
questionable quality, who agrees with your statements.
So, I have to ask where the hell you are getting your information?
In the dozens of books I've read on the topic NOTHING like this is
considered.
It is totally non-Vedic! What system is it?
Oh, could you keep the same topic/subject line this time? You keep changing
it so it looks like you never answer.
Namaste,
Joe
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