To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/08/10 10:55
Subject: [K-list] Savior Poll results
From: Druout
On 2002/08/10 10:55, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
Kenneth writes: Lets have a poll, How many people on this list once thought
of themselves as somekinda saviour already? How many still do?
Fifteen people responded on list to Kenneth's poll.
Nine said yes, or responded in such a way to infer a yes answer.
Four said no
Two people simply commented.
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The posts:While I think it may be true that our individual energy will encircle the
planet bringing light and joy to millions it will not be in the way we think
it will while we are in saviour mode. (Prolly it will be cause someone
forwards one of our 'serious' posts to lots of lists for laughs!)
<Rummages around under the bed amongst the dust bunnies and old self
published booklets and posters and crystals>
Here it is!
<Pulls out what suspiciously looks like a bicycle helmet festooned with
crystals and copper wires>
Nope! This is the Time Travel Machine, lets see..
<Rummages around some more before dragging out this impossibly large and
heavy looking helmet, that looks like it might have been used by Kaiser
Wilhelms' troops in WW I >
Yep, here it is, the King and Saviour of the Universe Crown! Don't make em
like this anymore, let me tell you! You want Patents of Nobility? Got those
too somewhere....
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You are funny. Reading you made me laugh.
...
I have never thought of myself as a saviour. Not of the earth, or the
animals or the people, not of anything. I care about them. But it has
never crossed my mind to lead them to salvation even if I wanted to
save them I wouldn't know where to begin. I am still trying to figure
out my own salvation. ...
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>she has been here for something like 76,000 years, and came here
>JUST to help humanity get through this state of their growth
>----------
>
>Hi ...
>Isnt that what we're all doing? Regardless of our knowledge of it or not?
emmm.... naa, there are some that are strictly indifferent to helping-its
not an important thing to them, and not necessarily in the job
description... there are always exceptions...
and another thing-there ARE some that are actively working AGAINST humanity
learning and growing, and that is their entire purpose. keep em in the
dark, and HERE.
and as for Kenneths poll? I am a janitor...pure and simple...
*****
I think Kenneth's poll is a terrific idea. I'll go 3rd. I've had a saviour
fantasy since I was 5 years old. It has been a HUGE obstacle to waking up.
Even the desire to help or to serve has been a disaster for me. I'm giving
up the whole thing and if this body happens to be useful in one way or
another, I don't wanna know about it.
This being said, I am very grateful and have lots of love for the Doc K'..s
of this world. I have been given so much help by all those who have tried to
teach the unteachable. God bless 'em. H...
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Im with H... at the moment.
Though having said that I reserve the right to change my mind.
Who knows I might be called to be great spiritual charlatan ( is there such
a thing) I mean leader tomorrow.
I think virtually everyone on and not on this list will have had experiences
of healing / helping others.
I have been fortunate to have been part of miraculous recoveries, literally
sight has been restored, growths have gone, attitudes have changed, but if
im so great why hasent everyone I have touched got better????
I even opened a healing clinic with my partner because I believed that
"God/Godess Higher Power" wanted me to, there was a lot of evidence to
support my perception that I had a special gift. So 4 month later I burst an
ulcer had to close had lost my life savings but still can laugh.
The spititual Masters mostly say be as you are, you dont have to do too
much, the greatest service you can do is become enlightened, how can you
possibly help people in a dream? Get yourself out of the dream first and in
doing that becoming THAT which you are allready the "human race" is
automatically one step closer to being home. A rising tide lifts all boats I
think it was President Kennedy that said that but its true.
My own personal view is that Kundalini is the awakener the evolutionary
device used to boot us into what comes next. What we call knowledge even of
the spiritual kind may be worse that usless if there is actally a change of
dimension. We might find that the mind collective & personal if there is a
"person" left afterwards is wiped clean of all "past" lets face it we
gravitate towards what we think and if left with any of the old thoughts
would just recreate the problems of the past in any new world a bit like the
pilgram fathers who escaped from religous persecution to do exactly the same
in the New World.
Having said all that we have little choice but to follow our Dharma so the
very best of luck to all who want to help us move into a world of Peace &
Harmony
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>Im with H... at the moment.
:) me too.
>Though having said that I reserve the right to change my mind.
>Who knows I might be called to be great spiritual charlatan ( is there such
>a thing) I mean leader tomorrow.
>I think virtually everyone on and not on this list will have had experiences
>of healing / helping others.
Yes.
>I have been fortunate to have been part of miraculous recoveries, literally
>sight has been restored, growths have gone, attitudes have changed, but if
>im so great why hasent everyone I have touched got better????
sigh. If the power is mine, why cannot I use it as I choose? Because
the power is theirs. "by your faith are you healed."
>I even opened a healing clinic with my partner because I believed that
>"God/Godess Higher Power" wanted me to, there was a lot of evidence to
>support my perception that I had a special gift. So 4 month later I burst an
>ulcer had to close had lost my life savings but still can laugh.
The purpose was not to heal others, but to heal yourself... to get past
the savior thing. Road to hell, paved with "good intentions"
Karma follows responsibility... take on the responsibility of being a
"savior", you get too much karma and some sort of crucifixion is bound to
result. Been there done that... thus, all the best healers insist whatever
miracles result, are not of them but *through* them. You have to, or the
karma will kill you. How many Gurus died from some sort of liver disease
because they bit off more karma than they could chew?
Responsibility belongs to Goddess, then the karma flows through...
Whenever I am starting to feel burnout from the work I do, I know it is
because I have been taking too much responsibility. The weight gets too
heavy, and I find myself wanting to abandon it all like Gaugin, run off to
Fiji to paint.
Surrender everything, responsibility, mission, purpose. labels,
titles... come back into balance. If it is meant to be, Goddess gives it
back.Blessings...
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Hi, List,
Mystress mentioned something about astral thought forms hanging around
influencing people. I have heard this before, that there are 3 big
ones: 1) I am going to be a GREAT HEALER 2) I am going to be a GREAT
SPIRITUAL LEADER . Darn, can't remember #3. I think it was something
like 3) I'm going to buy a big plot of land and establish a
sanctuary/wellness center/retreat facility that will become a bastion of
Light holding back the Darkness.
I'm not saying it's never real. I'm just saying these things are out
there, so to quote the Highlander again, "Don't lose your head."
Wishing you clear light (and ice cream for D...)
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Hello! Ok before all this K stuff started happening I really believed my
path was a healer I wanted to heal every person animal and anything else. I
realized through all I have been through that I dont have the tools to do
this, we can only heal ourselves and trust me there are people I would love
to hit over the head and say your life doesnt have to suck and then solve
there poblems for them. I love to use psychic and energy healing on people
that is what I do in all of my spare time but people come to me and expect me
to solve there problems for them. I am only the channel and I always make
sure they know even if this upsets them since I am not making things too easy
for them that the problem starts deep inside and only they can fix it. I
cant take there emotional pain away or all the traumas they have encountered
nor will I claim to do so. I dont believe that ANYONE can fix these things
but themselves. I know with all the Reiki treatments I do and other forms of
healing on myself that these problems the root issues are still there and
need to be faced. There is no easy path that is how we learn we face things.
Anyway yes I have changed my views I still love to do healing that is part
of my path but I really dont claim solve all a persons problems, but maybe
that makes me a bad healer I would rather show them that they can do it
themselves.
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Hi all :)
This is just my view please do not take it personally. I think that
everyone has their own path to their own truth. This just a bit of
mine. I think Kristy is right, at least in my truth. I think the
highest road one can walk down is the road that shows others away to
truth. I believe healing potential lies in all, some just refuse to
see it or acknowldge it.I think it is okay for those souls who are
not ready to choose not to acknowledge these gifts and the divinity
in them is okay. But, if one is open to the possiblity then one
should be shown a map of roads to choose from. The potiential in us
all is high, how could it not be, we are all a part of the Great
Divine Energy, whatever you wanna call it. How could we not have the
potiential to heal ourselves, or cocreate this reality,among other
things. I think some of us are just more open, and those who accept
the limitations that this world shows seeks those of an open
heart/soul/mind/spirit to help them in healing, leadership, things of
a spiritual nature. but the true potiential lies in us all. Well
thats my view, it might not be yours,and thats okay :)
remember to look up at the wonder of the stars,for you are that
wonder:)
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I had a lot of dreams when I was 4 and 5 of leading people to higher ground
so to speak.
Then in the winter of '01' I went to Gremany and a Feng Shui Master, a
friend of a friend, took me on my first inner journey that wasn't
spontaneous, where the two of us talked with one of my guides.
I asked my guide what it is that I was supposed to do in my life, at the
Masters urging. The reply I got was, 'lead your people.'
That was troubling for me in many ways. I said 'no' to the guide a couple of
times before I finally shut up.
Anyway, I've had in my life time well over 20 years in the personal growth
industry. Mostly spent trying to 'fix' what was wrong with me so I could fit
in. Probably the most valuable lesson I learned in all those years, is the
value of leading by example.
So I applied that principle to what my guide said and began working harder
than ever on myself. The only way I want to or could IMHO lead is by
example. Followers, folks who just do as you say, have no appeal to me.
Since that time, I have met many folks like me. Special because they want to
and, to one degree or another, are awake. They want to lead by example, not
by convincing folks they know something no one else does.
We have (my friends and I) since come to believe that the call to 'rescue',
'save' and 'lead' all the hapless 'unawake' folks is not really what those
messages were about. Everyone of my friends have had such calls.
I seems to us, that the true nature of those visions, dreams and desires, is
a call to gather. And it is happening, without any help from anyone. So we
call it the gathering of 'kin.'
It is a gathering of like minded folks who have come to see their gifts and
the truely beautiful gift we all have been given called life.
AND we all mostly work on ourselves, under what I call 'authentic self
interest.' If everybody worked on themselves, and shared that work openly,
then the 'rescuing' is being done. Indirectly.
People are listening, those who want answers. They will ask questions, when
they feel the need. Not that they really have a need.
Extending a hand to those who request it is a great way to live and serve
and grow. 'We are ALL made of stars,' as moby so eloquently sang. We are all
made of the same stuff, so it's ok to ask for a hand and extend one in turn.
It will bennefit everyone.
Please notice though the FEELINGS attached to that. There is no victum,
there is no saviour, just folks working together to create a greater
experience.
AND that my dear friends, is my two cents worth. Off my soap box now.
hehehe...
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Hahahaha, (for poll) not exactly a saviour... but ask Mystress... when I
joined the list I wanted to heal everyone! lol I think that counts. Poor
me, got burnt out *poof* but it was worth the experience... everything is,
isn't it?
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> How many people on this list once thought of themselves as somekinda saviour
>
> already? How many still do?
>
never have and dont believe we should ever think that. we are here to learn
from eachother.
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The first K- days when I was in a bliss, I had the tendency to think I was
someone special.
It just lasted for 2-3 days, because I started to think about it.
On my life when I was 23; I had a job, and I just thought I was super about
that.
I learned the lesson the hard way, and I reccognised those signs from that
stage
of life.
So, now I do not think about being any kind of saviour, but I do believe that
if
we are trying to hold our negative emotions (not to others), and sharing our
positive emotions we CAN create a better harmonious world (however on a small
basis).
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now, as for the question, savior? ME? naa...got too much fun doing what
I got to do...
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just thought I would throw my name in the hat too,
I'm just a man, and I still have a lot to learn. Gentleman first, saviour
later.
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I thought (and was told) in my 20s that I was sent to earth for a special
purpose - a divine messenger. That's the closest brush I ever had with
divinity-identity. I came to the realization that we all have 'the' message
we need to deliver.
When I was a kid, I thought that whatever I thought of occured for quite a
while. Then when I was older, I thought that whatever I thought of, the
opposite occured. Go figger. I thought too much - I tried to find the time
these concepts did the flip.
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