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Recieved: 2002/08/07 15:23
Subject: [K-list] Re: lucid dreaming
From: shellelr
On 2002/08/07 15:23, shellelr posted thus to the K-list:
Hey Ken, I went through a period of dreaming things a couple of days
before they manifested in my life in some way. Very interesting and
unsettling!
You may be right about the skyscraper imagery. I had some kind of
feeling it may have had something to do with my fairly frequent
waking thoughts about the World Trade Center. Nothing disastrous
happened in my dream, though. I have wondered about that red room.
Why so much red?
Shelle
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., "mundaneyogi" <gutrekATnospamh...> wrote:
> Dear Shelle,
>
> Twenty years ago (you don't forget these kind of experiences) I had
> a similar lucid dream. I was inside a large house with a radiant
> red carpet that had an intricate pattern of black lines on it. In
> the dream I wandered around a bit, eventually climbing up to the
> stairs to the top of the house where there was a door. When I
> reached the door I had a strong feeling that I shouldn't open it.
> However, since it was a dream, I knew I could just put my arm
> through the door. In fact, I felt compelled to see what was on the
> other side, even though I was fearful. So, because of that impulse
> to check out the other side, I mechanically let my hand then whole
> arm go through the door to the other side. Immediately I touched
as
> well as saw a seething mass of people, standing shoulder to
> shoulder, all of whom seemed to be in a frantic state of mind. The
> people started grabbing at my arm and began pulling me through the
> door. Since this frightened me, I immediately woke-up.
>
> About two weeks later my second wife and I moved to an apartment in
> the Brentwood area of Los Angeles. Shortly after moving in I was
> walking down the common hallway and happened to look at the floor.
> The carpet was red with an intricate pattern of black lines, just
> like in the dream! I tried to rationalize that I subconsciously
> chose the apartment because of the dream, but even if that were
> true, how could I have seen the carpet weeks before I had ever
> physically entered the building? By the way, the apartment turned
> out to be a great place and was a great price for Brentwood.
>
> As to the meaning and symbolism in the dream; I feel the house
> represented my body, my inner world, and the people at the top
> represented the world outside my body trying to distract me from
the
> inner reality. I read once (it might have been Jung) that you are
> the best interpreter of what things mean in a dream. This is why I
> have always considered books that list dream symbols and their
> meaning (like a glossary of computer terms) to be of dubious
value.
> Jung also warned against using symbols from cultures other than
your
> own. For example, a dragon represents good luck in the East, but
> represents evil forces in the West. In an audience I once had with
> Soeng Sunim (the patriarch of Korean Zen), a member of the
audience
> (a young Asian man) said he had recurring nightmares about Buddha
> and Jesus fighting - a clear war between eastern and western
> symbols. The Zen master told him, "there are many paths up the
> mountain". Personally, I have assimilated and am comfortable with
> many eastern symbols, but one should be sensitive to the dangers of
> symbol conflicts.
>
> At the risk of misinterpreting your dream (only you really know the
> true meaning), it may symbolize an expanding consciousness - going
> from a small room to a skyscraper. I recommend you reflect on what
> the symbols mean to you. Be patient about lucid dreams too. They
> are powerful and usually quite rare (in my case anyway).
>
> With love and peace,
>
> Ken
>
>
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., shellelrATnospama... wrote:
> >
In a message dated 8/4/2002 1:32:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I found I enjoyed lucid dreaming way more than OBE's
> >
> > I had my first-ever lucid dream a couple of months ago. I
dreamed
> I was in
> > this small room that was completely decorated in shades of red.
> Walls,
> > furnishings, art, everything was red. As I stood in this room
> looking
> > around, I realized that I was dreaming this room, but that I was
> AWAKE within
> > it. I spent a good deal of time looking around the room, still
> awake, then
> > decided to try leaving the room. I opened the door, and found
> that I was in
> > the huge lobby or atrium area of a skyscraper-type building. As
I
> walked out
> > into this space, I somehow became asleep again, no longer in
> control. What
> > an interesting experience this was; I don't know whether I did
> something to
> > make it happen, but I hope it happens again!
> >
> > Shelle
> >
> >
> >
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