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Recieved: 2002/07/23 12:12
Subject: Re: [K-list] out of body experiences
From: Elise
On 2002/07/23 12:12, Elise posted thus to the K-list:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:09:28 -0500
"Grant -" <lite12ATnospamhotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Grant,
I just remembered why I think I am not succeeding. I was in a hospital, and was there for some checks. I felt asleep, and saw my own body lying on the bed. I moved and touched myself. it felt like rubber of some sort. The schock took me back, and I think some of the list were just right to say I might be afraid for it.
I really was almost forgotten, but I do remember the shock; I really was scared!
So I once was outside my body.....
Thank you for your comments, I will try again and.............relaxed.
Love and Blessings,
Elise
> Hi Elise,
> Just thinking about it... it's incredibly helpful for a first time OBE to be
> spontaneous. Instead of making it happen, trying to induce a state that will
> make it happen more on its own.
>
> The reason is this, when trying to 'make it happen', it's nearly impossible.
> Try to imagine a new color. Not anything in our visible light spectrum. It's
> not easily done, from our experience we have only seen combinations of Red
> Green Blue shades/hues. Thus our imagination is limited therwith.
>
> The state of OBE for the first time is unimaginable. It can't be thought of.
> (Not to mention scary as hell!) :)
> Although things like "vibrations" are great describing words to try to
> explain the feeling, it doesnt do it justice. It doesn't feel like being
> 'dumped into an airy world' or a pool of water, because both involve feeling
> something. Both of those descriptions invision your sense of touch to 'feel'
> floaty, in water or air... but in OBE it's nothing imaginable with tactile
> senses, sight, sound, or any such thing. You don't have the luxery of those
> physical tools, and thus trying to picture or induce a 'state' like this, or
> even a certain 'state of mind' is not possible. There is no mind, to be put
> into the right state in the first place!
>
> So then, how to induce an obe? Hard to say... I can recomend things here and
> there? Binaural beat meditation to *prepare you for when it does happen. (ie
> get used to the trance state) If you follow homeopathic essences/tinctures,
> I understand that electric-blue sheen obsidian does very well for OBE
> states, and remote viewing. It dissolves the imagination barrier, so perhaps
> take the essence on a day where its ok to be day dreaming every other
> minute- like when you first get up and if your family doesnt RIP you out of
> bed you lapse back into another dream- like that. :)
>
> hush hush.. but the first time I OBE'd was under circumstances I didnt like
> very much. In the archives if you check my very first post... anyways. It
> was due to a lot of exersize, following many days of supplementation
> experiments with a CNS stimulant. (makes your heart race, advertised as
> weight loss pill sometimes) Thus, the word TIRED doesnt even scratch the
> service. The body was nearly in pre-mature-sleep-paralysis I was so spacy.
> Dropped on the bed. As you may know CNS stimulants and amphitamines of any
> kind also induce incredible 'thinking speeds' and creativity. The neurons
> fire very fast in your brain giving you nearly no reaction-time-delay.
>
> Soo... body was tired-to-paralysis. Mind was run out of energy, so it was an
> involentary quiescent mind. No dialogue or anything. It was strange feeling.
> It took energy to think , and so I didnt given the choice. At this point,
> because of the exersize and running on a long term basis, my lungs had given
> way to a pattern of breathing that was healthy, much like pranayama induces.
> All this things I think helped the process.
>
> Anyways. On the bed. Instant sleep paralysis, I didnt realize it until I
> realized I wasnt breathing, which I realized right after I noticed I couldnt
> hear my heart beat either. Couldnt move, very scared, vibrations, literally
> an electric current shot up my entire body. I tried to forcivly move my head
> to the left- bad idea. The charge moved with my forceful movements (but my
> head was still paralized) and made the left side 'twitch'. Didnt feel
> uncomfortable- just scary. And... POP. Out I go, for an instant amazement
> and a feeling indescribable, followed by the thought "OH CRAP. I'm dead."
> And in that moment of fear... THUMP. Back I was. Deep breath- all normal.
> Got up from bed and did something to make me heart race. Cup of Java, and I
> was all better.
>
> The point to all this, is since that moment I can sort of... "remember".
> Kind of like when you learn to bike. The confident-less ammature biker is
> likely to fall a few times and wobble- he has never biked and doesnt know
> from any experience. Once he knows, all he has to do is 'remember'. He knows
> what it feels like to bike. He can probably imagine it very clearly, and
> even reproduce the feeling. Thats what it is like with OBE's. Once you
> remember, this indescribable non-feeling, you begin to pop out. At that
> point you just need to relax which is a test in itself.
>
> If you do OBE, which I'm sure if you want to enough you will at some point,
> I give you this piece of advice. When the numbness and seperation, and
> electricity type feelings happen, and you feel yourself splitting, and you
> realize this feels like death (maybe even reminds you of death), DONT put
> thought into it just sit back and relax as if you were sunbathing. As soon
> as you let the heart race and feed the mind-induced fears of unfamiliarity
> you will be grounded back and the vibrations will slowly subside.
>
> Also, when you feel the vibrations, you dont need to "help them along". I
> origionaly thought that as soon as I felt the charge I could visualize or
> control the raising of the vibration and had to use my thought power to make
> them increase. Nope. That only makes your mind very noisy and makes the
> vibrations go away.
>
> Have you ever closed your eyes, and let some one ssllloowwwlllyy put a
> feather or finger to your skin, say the back of your neck, but so slowly
> that you didnt know when it would touch? You get very tingly in that area
> and you just know its going to happen, all the awareness gets shot to that
> one point. Try making that feeling occur on an entire-body level, yet still
> remain very relaxed, in a sun-bathing type of mindset.
>
> It seems contradictory if you think about it... which is why it takes a lot
> of practice to be able to effectively OBE.
> On the bright side once it happens for whatever reason, even if you pop back
> down like I did, you can remember. At this point the speed of your
> developement increases exponentially. Then you CAN practice, really.
>
> Welp. Looking back, I am very sorry for my wordiness, and my lack of grammar
> control. I usually at least try to sound a little less ignorant, but, I'm
> sure you will forgive me. I hope this information will serve to help you in
> some way. At some point... :)
>
> -Grant
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Elise <eliseATnospamangel-esile.demon.nl>
> To: K-list
> Subject: [K-list] out of body experiences
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:05:34 +0200
>
> Some people are very good in these things like out-of-body experiences!
>
> This really is something I do not understand; I have tried several
> techniques. It just don't succeed!
> Is there somebody who has advice in this?
>
> (I always have the feeling my astral (?) body is too good connected with my
> fysical body!)
>
> Greetings,
> Love,
> Elise
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