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Recieved: 2002/06/29 23:25
Subject: Fwd: Re: [K-list] Potty Training - to Marsha ..
From: --Shiva--
On 2002/06/29 23:25, --Shiva-- posted thus to the K-list:
>******
> >Then, I respectfully suggest that you take the time to do an in depth study
> >of the history of Comparative Religions, ....
>
>I lived in an ongoing, continually exploding, and intellectually
>stimulating/personally disempowering 'Holy War/philosophical debate' for 18
>years, until I was legally old enough to move out of my parents house.(they
>didn't have the same faith) Been there and heard waaaaaaaay too much of
>that. Also took philosophy, old testement, world religions, ect in college.
>More of the same.
then you I feel sorry for, 18 years of hell- with misguided STUPID
ignorant people. I pity you, or rather feel sorry for you, for what
happened. BUT, they did the only thing THEY were brow beaten into, also...
>And that is what I am doing, not taking on the words of some authority who
>wants to tell me his way is the only way.
BRAVO...there is ONLY ONE WAY.... ' for you'... the PROBLEM IS, YOU NEED
TO FIND IT.
all anyone can suggest is for you to go look at _____
some day, some time, SOMETHING will click, and then YOU GOT IT....
> >As I wrote once or twice before ..
> >
> > "People only need something to believe in
> > because they cannot believe in themselves
>
>There you go again saying don't believe in this... only believe in what I
>tell you is Ok.
THAT comment seems to be an assumption on your part... The basis of the
statement is much further and deeper... the discussion resulted in the
question of GIVEN time- would people CREATE something to believe in- said
discussion was asked about religion. and the 'creation' of a 'god'...basis
of question was IF there was NO god, what would happen.
and that was the answer that was come up with. People have NO faith in
their individual self...
>*****
> >Belief is a hypothesis for a mental masterbation ..
> >
> >and from this, there are two types of Kundalini ..
> >a mental coming...
>Hey, now, do not be knocking masturbation, mental masturbation specifically
>being a particular fav of mine. (Apologies to those offended, grin to those
>who aren't.)
(it has its uses, but does reach a point of becoming BORING.)
>*****
> >The rising of the "essence of the Pot" (the Kunda")
> >will destroy any concept of who you think you are ..
> >and your every experience will be what is released
> >from the cells of your body ..
>But wait, you said earlier that I would express from my "lived_experiences",
>if I release them, how will I express from moment to moment who I am because
>of them? Don't you mean the experienced emotion is to be released?
perhaps shoved in your face? CONSCIOUSLY? to be reviewed, etc, by
you-things that you did not know were there, hidden away?
both of you said the same thing, different words...
>*****
> >And each person's experience will be unique
>Yes it will...be they Buddist, Muslim, Baptist, Agnostic...
forget religion- toss that out the window...its immaterial... at a certain
point, YOU LOSE RELIGION.
its a waste of time, and effort- because you go beyond religion, its NO
LONGER NEEDED.
>*****
> >and all of the ideas of what anyone ever told them
> >Kundalini will be like ..
>...including you, you say?
I will say NO TWO PEOPLE will have the same thing... the sensations,
reactions, etc that YOU HAVE, are your own unique things... nobody else
will or CAN experience them...
a good example is child birth...describe your pains... get 10 OTHER women,
get them to ALSO describe their pains... no 2 will or can agree-its all
subjective TO THE INDIVIDUAL. how do you measure pain? you cant.
> >and you won't find many choosing to take the path of writing
> >about it ..
>
>But many of those whom have chosen to write about it found this list,...you,
>me...As is evidenced by my crossed eyes and tired fingers.
but for every person here, there are a thousand more, that are not... never
heard of it, never will, and will go through life, with the event just an
odd memory...if they are lucky
>*****
>In conclusion, as somebody said, (Shiva??) that this is about PERSONAL,
>INDIVIDUAL experience and you don't get to tell me about MY personal
>experience. If you share YOUR personal experience, I will listen and
>perhaps learn something from you. I just can't bear to see someone tell me
>this is HOW IT IS --and that they know the motivations of ALL others and
>those motivations were all negative.
if you sit and WROTE IT...so what... its just words... I cut my
finger...the pain was XXXXXX
can you relate to that? no...there is nothing available that
'measures/compares so that 2 people can feel/experience the EXACT SAME THING...
if one does NOT understand something-no amount of words is sufficient to
explain it.
if one DOES understand something, no words are necessary to explain it
>And...to any others who were discussing this topic, I am in no way saying
>religions haven't had/do contain negatives and control freaks, ect.
ALL DO... period...its a requirement... the difference between them is the
AMOUNT of control they wield whether visible, or subtle
> And
>certainly the enlightened individuals after whom many religions were based
>would in many cases be shocked and disgusted.
mostly this statement IS correct...What has happened to Christianity,
since Jesus's times, STINKS .. Compared to what he said and did then, with
what he is SUPPOSED to have said, or did, is vastly different
The biggest problem is the church...its not needed...but it was
'created'.... see above about creating the need
LOTS of religions do not need a church- they have gotten along quite well
without it, for thousands of years, and will NEVER need a church... but
white and yellow folks seem to need one...
.... we have the 3 'Christian' religions of the world, FIGHTING... killing
(not publicly stating it) in the name of God...
Catholics/Protestants in Ireland.
Jews/Palestine
Islam
ALL 3 ARE Christian, and are the furthest thing from ACTING LIKE IT...
> But some of them might find
>things to be pleased with as well.
I seriously doubt that any Christian 'old timer' is very happy...
Certain other old religious leaders have no reason to be too perturbed
AFAIS, their sayings/beliefs were basically left alone.
> I am saying that to assume anyone knows
>the motivations of all the religious leaders who ever lived is the pinnacle
>of arrogance and ego.
its NOT the leaders- its the people that WROTE what the leaders said, or
did, that matters...
A Roman Emperor CREATED the book AKA the Bible, not the religious leaders-
they 'voted for it' under threat of death... another one also removed
almost all references to reincarnation... Both of these were NOT religious
leaders, but IMO, religious FORMERS... they FORMED the beliefs used by a
good portion of humanity today...
--Shiva--
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