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Recieved: 2002/06/27 15:39
Subject: [K-list] Potty Training - to Marsha ..
From: Christopher Wynter
On 2002/06/27 15:39, Christopher Wynter posted thus to the K-list:
At 28/06/02, you wrote:
>>cw wrote,
>>Religions were created to control the people so that they would
>>not be able to find their personal integrity - or express their
>>experience without the sanction of some religious authority.
>>***
>I humbly, and totally disagree. Religions, IMO came into being as people
>TRIED to teach others, give them a certain path, a door, to access the
>felt presence of GOD. To say that all religions were born from those
>seeking to control others is to admit that you would like to do that same
>thing, and therefore think that you are very familiar with the motivation
>of all other religious/spiritual leaders.
Then, I respectfully suggest that you take the time to do an in depth study
of the history of Comparative Religions, and go back into the archives of the
formation of their Doctrine and Dogma ..
The History of Christianity in Western Civilisation from its roots in the
formation
of the Roman Catholic Church is a very good place to start.
When you do so, you will find that what we use as our bible actually started as
a Doctrinal Document translated from gathered writings in such a way as it
fulfilled the dictates and requirements of a certain Roman Emperor ..
a fact for which the current pope has apologised.
then you can start to look at the stories of some of the other religions ..
none of which were ever started by the person who first shared their
experience .. but by those who sought to capitalise on the experience of
other ..
Christ did not start Christianity - he was a Jew.
Buddha did not start Buddhism
Mohamad did not start Islam ..
[ and none of these ever spoke English ]
>I notice that you only refer to God as K.
I did not ..
>Is that the 'religion' that you would be leader of?
Why do you ask that question .. ?
>Will we 'CWKundalinites' be able to express OUR personal experiences and
>integrety without YOUR religious authority?
Well - you could try one of my lists to find out if you like ..
I have no religious authority .. and I don't want any ..
but, I will challenge any dogmatic or doctrinal statement
with "something_written_in_the_moment" ..
and even the wording of that challenge may vary from person to person
moment to moment ..
You see .. its not about replacing one belief structure with another,
but about dismantling all belief structures. Only then will what you
express be the spontaneous expression of you in the moment based
on your "lived_experience" ..
rather than the words of some other authority which you have taken
on as a "proxy_for_what_you_think_is_your_existence"
As I wrote once or twice before ..
"People only need something to believe in
because they cannot believe in themselves ..
and the infinitude of possibilities
of their potential .. and who they may become
once they remove the limitations
of what they believe in .. "
and I have seen some people go through the process ..
and who they became .. from releasing what they believed in ..
has brought tears of humility from me ..
as I shared with them
the process of their own Self recovery ..
Belief is a hypothesis for a mental masterbation ..
and from this, there are two types of Kundalini ..
a mental coming .. and the real thing ..
In all my time, I have seen both types ..
and when you experience the real thing,
it will not be anything like the fancy words
of the mental paradigm ...
for the simple reason, your mind will never be the same again.
The rising of the "essence of the Pot" (the Kunda")
will destroy any concept of who you think you are ..
and your every experience will be what is released
from the cells of your body .. that which has been,
in the past, the separation of you from this essence.
And each person's experience will be unique
as they struggle with sanity and insanity
life and death - their own -
and all of the ideas of what anyone ever told them
Kundalini will be like ..
Yup .. you can fake it for a while .. and you will experience
certain things .. you can even try to raise "Kundalini" with
certain "spiritual practices" .. and you will have certain
experiences ..
BUT ..
The one common denominator with anyone who has had an
experience with the "energy of the pot" and been supported
through it .. and allowed it to move through ..
is that there has been an absolute awe and humility at what
they have learned .. and experienced ..
and you won't find many choosing to take the path of writing
about it .. because words do not describe the process in any
adequacy ..
The LAST opening of the real "Potty Training Process" is the
throat .. which becomes the expression - not of the mind -
but of the essence of Be_ing_In_the_Moment .. and there
is no past .. no future ..
and, seeing that the thinking mind is the last to know these
things .. it cannot control - or even design - what will happen
BEFORE it gains awareness ..
After Potty Training, the mind gains immediate awareness ..
and there is no thinking - only the awareness of all thought ..
Beliefs .. like hopes and expectations ..
are limitations to possibilities ..
and the basis of all fears at the resultant outcomes ..
== cw
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