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Recieved: 2002/06/11 12:00
Subject: [K-list] re: Sending stuff with good intentions can turn out fatal
From: Soitpp
On 2002/06/11 12:00, Soitpp posted thus to the K-list:
> Just like with praying or reading affirmations for other people, we take on
their
> karma, a karma that someone has chosen to learn something. That so will be
is a > cosmic law..
just a tip for some people,
viewing "karma" as a tyrannical force of bad news "coming at you" can create
a disasterously disempowering affect upon you. It's important to remember
that "karma" is just yourself happening to you. You *own* your karma, it's
not a force outside of you. You can help by imaginging yourself AS the karma,
itself, instead of seeing the karma as a seperate entity of some kind
> I felt this is important because even if I dont feel " good" at the moment
this is
> necessary for me to experience.. so no, dont send me anything.. but you can
trust > that I have an open connection to my higher self and by that I am
always blessed
> and guided..
Asa you can also turn someone else's harmless or nearly harmless intentions,
which albeit, may not be perfectly unbiased, into a much larger more
confusing entanglement, .. no doubt you felt intruded by this person saying
"I'm sending you love" and you felt his/her intention was to take away your
free will, OR at least that is how you chose to percieve it, you might
consider seeing *their* innocence instead, which in turn transforms your
negative view on the situation into a positive one and sends them
unconditional love and whatever small or large revelation that might be
coming to them, you can feel it's good and appropriate for them
> Speaking in tongues or glossolalia is not specific just to charismatic
Christians. It
> can be a language of bliss found also as a manifestation of kundalini
symptoms.
> Personally, I am not so surprised by the gift of speaking in tongues but by
the gift
> of someone hearing it and interpreting the language that is spoken.
I'm always talking rubbish to my dog, "esapli des pali, bumbas deskisene
esta," it often sounds like a mix of lemurian, japanese, sometimes slavic,
even african, I hear all kinds of weird dialects coming out of my jibberish,
But mostly I just say what feels fun to utter, heheeee
> Bigotry is OK, just hate the right people.
Huh?
> By way of example, please forgive me while I go off topic for a moment.
> Republicans should admit that however a disgusting immoral bastard they may
> think Clinton to be, without him there would have been no welfare reform
> (something they've wanted for years and something that needed fixing,
> whether what was done was the thing to do or not is a different question).
> Democrats should admit that Regan's programs gave the push that tipped the
> USSR into falling apart and, here's the payoff they've all wanted for
years,
> ending the cold war (how much of an improvement that is, remains to be
> seen).
But in the end can we agree that it wasn't Clinton doing anything, or
Republicans admitting or not admitting anything, or Reagan helping the USSR
fall apart, but it was everyone, the collective mind, that was
simulataneously responsible, for everything that happens! responsible even
for the tree that falls in the woods that "nobody" was around to hear
> But it is rare to hear those admissions. Examine your feelings as you read
> those lines, were you dispassionate about them, willing to admit them both
> to be right?
22 years old and VERY dispassionate, to me you couldn't have said anything
more mundane, CNN is more exciting because those are the impassioned minds,
OK wait, sometimes I do get in political rebel rousing, but afterwards I
always regret it, regret arguing that is...
> I know my mistakes, I just thought I'd hold up a mirror and help others as
I
> was helped. Some have found that unpleasant.
too often people here feel they need to state the metaphysical meaning of
"what they're doing" almost as if to redeem or excuse themselves... even
Mystress does it!! Although in a less excusing way, more in a "I don't what
else to say" kind of way..
What's with the narrative???????? What happened to self-existing? "Self
Existing" is a large piece in the puzzle of the mayan calendar
> > And what is our relationship with god supposed to
> > be?
> I think deep in our hearts we already know ...
> sometimes below the radar of our conscious mind. It's
> something we purely feel.
>
> Vince
I think our "relationship to god" is really just a very twisted way of saying
"our relationship to ourselves"
> It was just a joke! Personally I think it is nice to lighten up a bit on
> occasion.
Yeah, Joe lighten up, Pleidians ARE alot like the cosmic republicans of the
galaxy ... or is it universe?
> Yeah! :)) I really relate to this. Many of us are well-programmed in early
> life to be good little girls and boys. Then when K hits, our awareness
> expands and we become more aware of what motivates both others and
ourselves.
> In turn this often causes us to become impatient with the masquerades.
> Family and friends may not like the changes that ensue, but most get used
to
> it! ;)
there have been moments in my journey where I decided I simply would not
acknowledge anything that I didn't like... it meant that at several
interverals I didn't speak to my mom when she talked to me, feeling that I
wasn't serving her or myself by responding, or my dad, or my uncle, or anyone
who I didn't like their intention.... it wasn't until I had a firmer grip on
MYSELF that I discovered I was being unnecesarily cruel in my inability to
bend for them and appreciate their persons.. their experience.. things are
alot lighter around here now that I've become better at living in my own
world as well as theirs, without feeling ripped/torn apart, or feeling that I
am swerving from my own truth, which was the initial reason why I stopped
responding when they wanted attention, I felt like I was being torn away from
my truth,... I learned in time that I was being selfish, it was, or can be a
hard adjustment to make, but an absolutely necessary one for living with
other people,.. it's all about finding compassion!!! For REAL.. d'oh so
many times it can seem like there will be no peace, we all deal with that
reality in our own way, even Mystress does, and no ones way is the "right"
way, how many times have we felt there can never be peace among nations? Find
peace in yourself and "walk like a man" (or a woman) ,.. when you butt heads,
it's your choice, whether or not to see a reason for rejoicing or war,
regardless of your choice, it is coming out of your conclusions about the
person you have interacted with,
it can be just as hard to rejoice for those who are "below" us as it can for
those who are "above" us
I hung out and smoked weed with a thug yesterday named Chewie, he is "above"
me, I have to surrender to him, my girlfriend Elisen is younger and less
empowered than me, she is "below" me, I have to surrender to her,,...
in BOTH "surrenderings" it is 100% about living personal truth, "personal
truth" must include your personal truth concerning the other person.
Talking to this list I must surrender also, because in order to speak about
these mind-mechanical things I have to surrender the idea that they are
"givens" so in some way, I am coming down from personal empowerment to give
others a hand, it is my responsibility to detatch from my words and remember
that my life isn't subject to the words I speak, but the thoughts I have
about the words I speak,..
what I mean is talking about living a better life or taking a different road
can fool the inner child into once again believing that life isn't already
OK, speaking from a "not OK" perspective, that is, when we are trying to give
advice, or when we are recollecting on our own way of approaching life, can
start to produce a thoughtform of imperfection, which isn't really what we're
trying to achieve is it!? Hehe, so,
maybe the best advice I can give, be it so very easy be it so very hard, is
see perfection... god what the hell am I saying here
Maybe you'll get something out of it, I sure haven't!!!! LOLLL
dbbhaaaaauuughhhh.... ::droool:::
I'd prefer to believe perfection is a given for everyone,
but it turns out sometimes people really want a little advice
just like I used to, and sometimes still do
so what is a sufi to do? Living in this day and age,
everyone needs a helping hand, me you, and us all
Best advice I can give: If you haven't already, take a gander at "whole
brained" thinking, and apply what you have gathered, TO THE TELEVISION!!
=)))) Wheeehehee, hope you caught that one
This list is very ego centered. It is ego centered because it tries so hard
not to be ego centered!
This list is not always egotised ;) *wink* I found a well of well being
energy here, albeit far and in between, that simply doesn't exist anywhere
else ;))
meaning, ... at times the energy is so wonderfully down to earth I could go
days on the feeling of up(down)liftment I recieve from it
My advice for the list diva: Don't destroy what heaven has created. And
don't attempt to create what hell already supplys in ample abundance.
(it might be just the opposite on most light-bearer lists.. don't destroy
what hell has created. And don't .. etc. etc.)
spiritweb.org has closed down it's mailing lists, Tyson got beat up, it's the
dawn of a new age it is.. Tyson got beat up on June 8, which was supposed to
be a significant turning point in astrology, or so I heard from a recent
email ;)
...well, a
rocket ship and mars seem to be the best metaphors to use, and we
both
had our clothes on and had very little sexual contact if any.
real x has nothing to do with sex, ... the way people have mistakenly made
that bridge always bugs the crap out of me, real ecstacy was originally
called empathy, and it opens an artificial empathic bridge, THAT is what it
was and is all about,.. sometimes I think people take x (which is one of the
most commonly adulterated drugs) with their complete intentions of expecting
an aphrodesiac and they create that sexual experience out of their own minds
right along with whatever strange chemical they popped into their body which
could easily be wholely or in part adulterated (not pure x) the whole sexy x
thing is 100% fabricated!!! By Golly, where are the real ravers,... the
railway ravers ha.. okay enough of my bs
drugs work by opening and closing pathways in the brain, some drugs
artificially stimulate certain nerve endings in the brain, such as acid (I
think) so, whatever you are feeling, it is >>artificially caused<< but
the feeling and experience is >>real<< think of it like this... you are
getting a delusion, but it remains a piece of the puzzle... delusion meaning
that the experience did not arise from wholeness, but was created by causing
a shadow, a shadow is a difference in light, the shadow in this context is
the difference in serotonin or other brain chemicals artificially altered,...
natural experience, or sometimes called "divine" experience (although I
believe everything is truly divine) would be the experience of brain
chemicals (the instrument, the piano) created from life's natural revolution,
I heard Mystress once say that drugs are a path as well, ... which basically
comes down to the question "How much drugs?" Which basically can only be
decided by you.. the user. What if you'd like to just leave? Ala Fear and
Loathing In Las Vegas..... hey, it sure looked like hella fun from the point
of view of my movie going experience, but there is always that dark side of
taking yourself on a bad trip that ends in, in the worse cases, death or
permanent psychosis.
Use your compassion to guide you, and you can't go wrong. That's the only
thing I can think to say.
> reading is it possible that it
> was
> some kind of 'electro-magnetic' transferance?
everything in life is electro-magnetic transference, electro-magnetic can be
directly translated to male-female, they are the exact same principles in
essence
> If so, how did this
> happen, because i knew nothing about it before. I suppose i could
> ask
> my friend about this electro-magnetic stuff, he said had a couple of
> reiki treatments a few years ago.
my advice would be to try to stop looking for a solid answer outside of
yourself,.... get the map from outside of yourself, the books, the stories,
the experiences, what other people say, then take your own experience and see
how it fits in for you. You can turn all that holabaloo into something more
down-home that makes more sense to you. I believe interpreting a psychidelic
experience is Juuuuuustt like a dream, it foremost needs to be interpreted by
the dreamer him/herself.
> *applause* GO JOE!!!!
>
> Keef
>
> PS. If you did recieve hate mail, to me that's all the more reason for you
> to stay! You make people think! I luv ya bud!
it is great to hear people encourage eachother instead of knock eachother
down, I'm grateful for that little bit of correspondance!! It brightens up my
day!
> We are all free to make decisions about how we behave towards each other.
> Sometimes, a confrontational attitude is all that works. In general,
though, it
> usually escalates a situation. The hardest part is knowing when to push and
when > to yield.
I couldn't have said it better myself Laura ;)) What good choice of words you
have
Mystress once mentioned that other people sometimes have a problem with her
shakti field. Being somebody who had a problem with Mystress's shakti field
I'd like to mention:
How do you know when you're having a problem with someone's shakti field?
1.) You always feel like they are judging you, when they really aren't.
2.) You might be inclined to believe you have to pursue that person
directly, instead of just being who you are/ living by example.
3.) You feel your personal truth is threatened. And by the way, it is. But
not by them... the only person who is threatening that truth is the person
who's job it is to uphold that particular truth. Which is yourself. Inner
depth work and a heaping helping of honesty is recommended.
Now here follows a really old email that was in my "to send" folder that I
wrote for the Klist but never sent. I'm sending this mostly for you guys,
because for me it's outdated and trivial... but some part of me says other
people can get value out of my meandering,.. "always trading sides" LOL
that is who I am
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
just felt I might write a little bit about the hooch because in my last email
I was dissing on it and saying I ought not to smoke weed anymore because it's
destructive..
well one thing's for sure, and I know, I've GOT to cut back. I swing back and
forth with my statements like a wild pendulum. Guess that's just my nature,
doubt it'll change.
But I'm writing this email because I just thought of something. I have NEVER
popped having NOT been on weed (not entirely true, but mostly true, my most
fierce popping has been enduced by conflict, in other words, weed can be the
catalyst for such conflict). Every time I've gotten into a mad zone with
popping I have been stoned.. and not once without being stoned.. I don't
think.. my memory isn't so good about those things ;P
Weed, especially (and only) after I've taken a long recess from it excites my
energy to such a degree that it raises my conscious awareness. In most cases
I find myself in a temporal mystic episode,.. if I follow it enough (trust) I
can begin popping. Good popping looks alot like Tai Chi or some form of kung
fu. The movements are very precise and solid. In my most wild popping I will
close my eyes and simply let (Goddess) take over my movements. My hands feel
like they dip into space/time itself, it's a very fulfilling sensation. I do
not doubt this is a very familiar topic to many "ravers" but I don't know
many ravers of that caliber personally. I've seen them at raves, but they
just scare me. So what if I'm a puss F you too. Mostly because I'm a shy
bastard yet and still afraid of my beat. Anyways, I thought I'd bring it up
because I don't want to rag on weed anymore than I want to fully support it.
It does seem like it is a tool but a tool that I predict will eventually
outwear it's usefulness.. especially because of it's negative mind-clouding
side effects. I love how it feels to close my eyes and let the universe bend
my will and movements.. to become one with the dance is beautiful. My hands
will clap and tap on objects around me, the movements become completely
symetrical with the environment around me.. I tap things around me without
seeing them. It made me understand how kung fu masters of yore could battle
blindfolded and win with such grace... they were simply allowing divine flow
to occur through them defeating any darkness that could possibly stand (or
not) in the way. Emotional dips are hard. Imagine letting go completely at a
rave.. without control I would tap people. It would necessitate conflict.
You're telling me *I* must be the kung fu master? You must be kidding. But
Goddess doesn't joke around. I try to find peace in my day to day. Studying
javascript. Pipe dreaming of the zodiacal game I will create on the internet
in time. Trying NOT to pipe dream of raves and concerts/gatherings. The
energy simply blows my mind. And I don't need that.. I need peace.. comfort..
assurance.. rest. Every day I find myself stressed to the max. But I keep a
positive outlook. I've got to! Almost smoked shwag today. So glad I didn't..
so very glad. The middle path is above my head! I do not want to drowned. I
predict a successful Aaron will be up to his neck in high grade marajuana.
The path I choose is a difficult one. But I wouldn't change it for the world,
for the universe, or for anything.
Signing Off,
Aaron
====================
And now, after that old email,
and having smoked weed yesterday,
I'd like to say,
Shwag SUCKS!!
No, just kidding..
What I really mean is. Right now. Uhghhh.. my body is cringing over the
affects of yesterdays bowl smoking. But I feel so good feeling the love of my
thug companion (companion on earth). And weed provided a bridge for such a
bonding. Another moment for me to analyze the nature of weed smoking and what
life is all about. As well as how best to live my own life. Halveway in
between. I need a break from the weed smoke perhaps. OR I just need something
new in my life. Like people. Like, more people. Like, maybe gay people and bi
people... maybe some less smoked out people.
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