To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/04/26 01:09
Subject: [K-list] Identities (x-posted)
From: Rich
On 2002/04/26 01:09, Rich posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Linda,
Your question is very sensible.... It's about seeing clarity in the
illusion.... our identities are things which we don't see, but see
through - it is essentially what we are being to get by in the world.
There is a whole closet of identities which we carry and when we *do*
release one we usually experience a pure state of awareness for a while
(at least until we fall into the next identity).
So with an identity comes the set of beliefs and karma associated with
it. In each identity we attract certain things into our lives and have
difficulties with certain other types of people that are opposing that
identity. To give you some examples of my own (as a slave = trouble with
controlling people, as a criminal = trouble with religious people, as a
monk = trouble with authoritative people).
These are not determined by intellectual enquiry. The only way to see
them is to find out what conflicts with what you are being (there is
always one core (key umbrella) item which all of the other things are a
representation of) as that is the only clue that we are being something.
Does this make sense. We can't see what we are being whilst we are being
it. We only get to see that when something conflicts with this and makes
us aware that we are holding on to a rigid identity. When we let go of
the identity the thing that conflicts with this is no longer a problem
and we can move on. It's often that we attract those situations to us in
the first place by being in the identity.
The end point of this is to see everything as a part of our self. In
other words we are experience unity instead of duality. When we see
things as separate from ourselves then we are caught up in our own
identity.
We assume a new identity when our existing one is overcome or no longer
serves us (often between lives or when we are completely
overcome/defeated in some way within a life and we feel we can't carry
on in that way). Each identity also has goals associated with it and
will create a direction for a being which will manifest as their life.
So to go back to your other question, if we get the identity and let
this go then yes we will 'get it' but the way this tends to work for
people is that they have a moment of clarity / unity / heightened
awareness and then they find themselves picking up their mind/body again
and inevitably taking on the next identity in the series as they go back
into their life. The thing is that there is a finite number of them and
as we let go of them we get better and faster at doing so each time. To
the point that we live more as spirit (or in line with spirit) and not
caught up in the mind/ego consciousness. Also there are key or major
identities which make up a bigger piece of the jigsaw than others.
Beyond this there are spiritual goals which are for the sake of game
which are then played out in the lower realms (i.e. earth / physical
universe etc.). This is what I mean when I say it can be fun to suffer
from a spiritual perspective when we are not glued to our mind and body.
Well hope this helps... I've been meaning to write this up more clearly
for a while and get it on the web, so your question has been a good
prompt.
Thank you,
Rich
I have a little quote of my own which sums this up, "The structure of
the mind, is that the mind is a structure". When we pull out the lower
pieces then what is on top of that inevitably crumbles (dissolves) and
we become free of that also. The difficulty is to get deep enough to
start with to make the real difference.
> I was reading your response to Rai on the 23rd.
> Question, You say the only way to let go of the drama
> is to get past the fixed identity we assume and see
> what is behind the veil. Two questions,
> exactly how does one get to the point of seeing
> beyond the veil, and if we do get to see beyond
> our fixed identity - wouldnt that indicate that
> we "got it" and our purpose here would be
> fulfilled?
>
> Just asking.
> Linda
>
>
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org
http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/spirit/kindex.htm
DISCLAIMER!
Home | Archive Index | Search the archives | Subscribe
K. List FAQ | Kundalini FAQs | Signs and Symptoms | Awakening Experiences | K. list Polls | Member Essays | Meditations | List Topics | Art Gallery | Cybrary | Sitemap | Email the moderators.
symbol.