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Recieved: 2002/04/25 11:48
Subject: [K-list] El Collie Tribute: Entities
From: Druout
On 2002/04/25 11:48, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
Subj: Re: [K-list] A Twist on Entities
Date: 8/31/99 5:53:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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Jay wrote:
>I asked her if there are really ghosts in this world, she said in a very
gently tone that, "All these are not real..." Then at the moment, all the
entities that had been attaching to retreated and faded away<
I have two comments on this:
(1) Having a conviction that entities/spirits are not real is a strong shield
against being able to perceive them, though it won't necessarily protect
against the entities actually interacting in one's life. One simply fails to
recognize that certain experiences are entity-related.
(2) The Buddhist accupuncturist who said "All these are not real..." was
absolutely right when speaking of the deepest level of existence, the One
Self level where nothing is real in the way we imagine it to be. And from
that deepest level, this post, this k-list, I and everyone reading this
message is not real either. I say this not from some philosophy I read
somewhere or concocted in my head, but from direct experience of the One Self
Source level.
El
Subj: Re: [K-list] Entities
Date: 8/30/99 6:25:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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It strikes me that the evil entity question of "Are they real or are they
Memorex?" [ancient audiotape ad slogan] goes beyond demons being scary to the
place in us which wants to understand the universe in a holistic, inclusive
way. I'd like to share one of the lessons I was given by a demonic entity
(though to this day I don't know whether it was actually a creature from the
lower or higher realms, but to me, that part doesn't matter).
The experience happened some 20 years ago during a meditation. Suddenly I
was confronted with a nightmare-vivid entity that seemed to be conveying to
me: "What are you going to do about THIS?" Naturally, my first impulse was
to stop the meditation, jump up and involve myself real fast in other
activities. But something made me pause and try to stay with it a bit
longer. I'm thinking, "This sure is freaky. How do I relate to a demon
without getting myself in deep trouble?"
Then it occurred to me to try to connect to it on the highest and cleanest
level I could, which meant with honesty, respect and appreciation. But what
was there to honestly appreciate about a bad-assed ghoul out of hell glaring
at me? Well, aside from its horrible appearance, it seemed to be a powerful
being, so I ventured, "You're the most magnificently horrible looking
creature, but I bet you have the power to appear even more terrible-looking."
It immediately responded by altering its appearance to look more hideous,
still staring at me intently. Okay, I thought, we seem to have some kind of
weird rapport going. I said to it, "That's fantastic, but I bet you can look
even more terrifying than that." We went back and forth with this exchange
several more times. Each time it assumed a more grotesque appearance than
before, and each time I responded with praise. I could sense it was enjoying
the rare opportunity to show off how ghastly it could look and it was basking
in my appreciation of its power. Note that my intent was not to summon evil
from it, but simply to relate to it on its own terms without compromising
myself.
Suddenly, it changed into the most spectacular looking being I have ever
seen. It shone with unearthly colors so brilliant I could not have said if
at that moment it was an apparition of something demonic or something holy.
All I knew was that I was absolutely floored and from the bottom of my heart
I exclaimed, "MY GOD, YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL!"
At that moment, it vanished. I just sat there stunned, trying to figure out
what had just happened. And it dawned on me that what had transpired in my
brief relationship to the entity had in fact been an exchange of love. With
this came the understanding that nothing is too alien to be unreachable and
that combined respect, appreciation and honesty can allow amazing things to
happen.
Did this experience convince me to stop regarding anything as evil?
Obviously not if you've read my previous posts. Trying to make myself see or
feel or perceive things in a "higher" way (if that is really what it is)
would be dishonest for me, and thus a rejection of the
respect-appreciation-honesty that made it possible for me to experience a
real communication with the entity. I don't want anyone to misconstrue what
I'm saying as a formula for dealing with threatening entities. I think it
worked well for me because I had no idea what was going to happen. If
someone were to try to manipulate a demon by using a similar flattering
approach, it might backfire, since demons are telepathic and know if they're
being conned. I doubt I could ever safely use the same technique with a
demon again, precisely because NOW it is a technique with expectations
attached, instead of a creative response to a woo-woo situation.
Honesty, respect and admiration are pretty good cards to bring to any table,
but they necessitate approaching every situation in a vulnerable way, without
prior rehearsal of what to do or say. Anyway, this has turned into a
cumbersome attempt to say that perceiving entities as demons -- and being
wary of them -- doesn't mean one can't also honor them for their role in the
wondrous workings of the cosmos.
End of strange story/sermon.
El
Subj: Re: [K-list] Hypnagogic Entities
Date: 12/13/99 6:01:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
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In a message dated 12/13/99 4:12:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tbATnospammagenta-logic.com writes:
<< Do people on the list get these sorts of encounters a lot?
They're not abduction or conscious contactee experiences, but they bear
consideration. >>
I've encountered entities in the hypnogogic state (as well as in ordinary
waking consciousness) throughout my life. A few years ago while I was taking
a nap, a female entity flopped herself down on the bed beside me. She
startled me and I let out a little yelp.
She was very surprised and exclaimed, "How did you know I was here?" I
answered, "Because I can hear you and feel your presence." (Sometimes I'm
able to see them, too.)
A few seconds later, a male entity entered the room and began talking to the
female. I didn't catch all of their conversation, but I heard her say to
him, "I don't know what I'm supposed to do with her. She's advanced but she
isn't at a level I know how to work with."
Apparently, I was their spiritual tutoring assignment, but I was as much an
enigma to them as I am to a lot of people on this plane, LOL!
El
Subj: Re: My bizarre experiences
Date: 98-07-18 20:21:29 EDT
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It may be true, as lady christos wrote, that nothing is completely evil, or
completely dark. My take on it is that everything is in some way in service
to the Light, willing or not. But that doesn't mean that evil has no real
power to harm us. The extraordinary healer/saint Padre Pio was routinely
besieged by demons who beat the sh-t out of him, on occasion breaking his
arms
and legs. He did not seem to fear them or resent their attacks on him.
There is an adage, "The greater the light, the darker the shadow." Could it
be that the purer one becomes, the more savage the powers of darkness (on
both
sides of the veil) one must contend with? Or perhaps it was Padre Pio's
complete identification with Christ (he bore the stigmata) that brought out
the shadow creatures with such a vengeance. There may be such thing as being
"too good." Probably not something most of us have to worry about...
El
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