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Recieved: 2002/04/02 18:29
Subject: Re: [K-list] A Beautiful Mind
From: lillianferracone
On 2002/04/02 18:29, lillianferracone posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Jose, The movie did not tell the whole story of John Nash. I live in
Princeton and John and his wife do not live far from me. The real story is
that John and his wife were divorced but they have remarried. He is no
longer on any kind of medications. He is able to function without the
medications. Exactly how he accomplishes this I do not know. I agree with
you wholeheartedly that the emphasis on the nobel prize seemed to be of the
utmost importance to everyone. This is so typical of the elitist groups.
Fondly, Lillian
----- Original Message -----
From: "José H" <jose.gitanaATnospamxs4all.nl>
To: "K-list" <K-list >
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] A Beautiful Mind
> Hi Lillian,
>
> Ofcourse, yes, I totally agree with you. Psychologists and psychiatrists
do
> not know what to do with the extreme manifestations of schizofrenia,
> psychosis, mania, other than prescribe medication to supress the symptoms.
> Regressive states, whether coming from this live or further back, are
> considered undesirable and one should wait with any kind of treatment
untill
> they pass.
>
> But I was trying to say something else too: I regret the fact that the
> implicit message in the film - in spite of the title - is a 19th-century
> romantic idea plus present day professional's view of schizofrenia: the
> closeness of madness to being brilliant, most of all in the traditional,
> rational sense of the word - being brilliant in science - plus earning
trust
> and status because of this achievement in science: It is this achievement,
> in spite of struggling with not being able to see the difference between
> "what's real and what's not" (more or less the simple description the film
> gives of schizofrenia), that is the final emphasis of the movie.
>
> Don't get me wrong: Nash lifestory is amazing, the movie is pretty good.
But
> if, like Christofer said, Nash did see the similarities with the
> enlightenement process, and understood more on his own regressive states,
it
> would have been very interesting to show this side of his lifestory to -
> then you could actually get to know his beautiful mind really.
> Now he is being portrayed as a helpless schizofrenic patient -
nevertheless
> with a brilliant mind in mathematics - but helpless as a human being. If
it
> wasn't for his wife and her love and decision to stay with him, he would
> have been nowhere. You do not see his strength as a human being, just his
> helplessness in struggling with a disease he cannot control - the typical
> psychiatric view.
> All he can do is accept it, take medication and be grateful for the love
and
> support of his wife. I know this - this is were we are with the bipolar
> organization in Holland as well: accept your situation, that's all you can
> do. There are very few people that seem to understand that thát is where
it
> starts - not ends.
>
> The title does not fit the movie, I think. What's so beautiful about the
mad
> genius that is utterly helpless if it wasn't for his loving wife? Maybe it
> was hér mind that they meant (:))
>
> I knów that people experiencing those states of mind have a beautiful
mind -
> but when they go to see this movie, they will get the same message as
> always: it is only beautiful when they will have achieved a certain status
> in society, not in itself.
>
> This view is blocking everybody to explore those states, blocking people
to
> heal and grow. So many people within our organization do not manage to do
a
> proper job, take part of society in this way because of everything they
are
> experiencing. And so many keep running around in circles because they feel
> they are not a valid human being if they do not have a job - so they keep
> stuffing themselves with more pills, new ones again, to make sure they
will
> be able to return to their job, or achieve in yet another job - to proove
> that they are not mad, but normal functioning human beings and maybe even
> more, if they can actually gain progress in their carreer. Most of them
> fail, and struggle over and over with losing that job, or having to accept
a
> much lower position or whatever.
> A job is a necessity, making money is - but this emphasis is keeping
people
> away from seeing they are truly beautiful human beings, job or not,
carreer
> or not, and have a look into their beautiful minds.
>
> "A beautiful mind" is an interesting picture to see - allthough the
repeated
> trick from the Sixth Sense is not so impressive the second time - but if
you
> are labeled a schizofrenic, and go to see this movie, what does it tell
you?
> I have a beautiful mind? No, it tells you what you know already: I am mad
> and not accepted in this society unless I achieve something (exceptional).
> Where can I find such a loving wife....?
>
> Well - I know my own impatience - my friends thought it was an incredible
> movie. I think it stigmatizes as usual, but in a very profound way.
>
> Love, Jose
>
> > Yes Jose, They simply do not understand those 'states'. Our
psycholgists
> > do not know how to treat regressed states. However, I think with the
> advent
> > of more psychologist trained in humanistic psychology we eventualy will
> make
> > some progress. Lillian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "José H" <jose.gitanaATnospamxs4all.nl>
> > To: "kundalini-gateway" <K-list >;
"Christopher
> > Wynter" <lifestreamsATnospambigpond.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [K-list] A Beautiful Mind
> >
> >
> > > Hi Christopher,
> > >
> > > What disappointed me so much about this movie that in the end, the
> message
> > > that it sends out is that Nash is a worthy human being BECAUSE he wins
> the
> > > Nobel prize after succesfully returning to his former workingfield, IN
> > SPITE
> > > of having a disease, called Schizofrenia. Doesn't give any new insight
> > into
> > > the states that are experienced and mirror's present day thinking
about
> > > those states - still mad and worthless if you don't win the Nobel
> > prize....
> > > Tell me something new.
> > >
> > > Jose
> > >
> > >
>
>
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