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Recieved: 2002/04/02 13:35
Subject: Re: [K-list] A Beautiful Mind
From: José H
On 2002/04/02 13:35, José H posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Lillian,
Ofcourse, yes, I totally agree with you. Psychologists and psychiatrists do
not know what to do with the extreme manifestations of schizofrenia,
psychosis, mania, other than prescribe medication to supress the symptoms.
Regressive states, whether coming from this live or further back, are
considered undesirable and one should wait with any kind of treatment untill
they pass.
But I was trying to say something else too: I regret the fact that the
implicit message in the film - in spite of the title - is a 19th-century
romantic idea plus present day professional's view of schizofrenia: the
closeness of madness to being brilliant, most of all in the traditional,
rational sense of the word - being brilliant in science - plus earning trust
and status because of this achievement in science: It is this achievement,
in spite of struggling with not being able to see the difference between
"what's real and what's not" (more or less the simple description the film
gives of schizofrenia), that is the final emphasis of the movie.
Don't get me wrong: Nash lifestory is amazing, the movie is pretty good. But
if, like Christofer said, Nash did see the similarities with the
enlightenement process, and understood more on his own regressive states, it
would have been very interesting to show this side of his lifestory to -
then you could actually get to know his beautiful mind really.
Now he is being portrayed as a helpless schizofrenic patient - nevertheless
with a brilliant mind in mathematics - but helpless as a human being. If it
wasn't for his wife and her love and decision to stay with him, he would
have been nowhere. You do not see his strength as a human being, just his
helplessness in struggling with a disease he cannot control - the typical
psychiatric view.
All he can do is accept it, take medication and be grateful for the love and
support of his wife. I know this - this is were we are with the bipolar
organization in Holland as well: accept your situation, that's all you can
do. There are very few people that seem to understand that thát is where it
starts - not ends.
The title does not fit the movie, I think. What's so beautiful about the mad
genius that is utterly helpless if it wasn't for his loving wife? Maybe it
was hér mind that they meant (:))
I knów that people experiencing those states of mind have a beautiful mind -
but when they go to see this movie, they will get the same message as
always: it is only beautiful when they will have achieved a certain status
in society, not in itself.
This view is blocking everybody to explore those states, blocking people to
heal and grow. So many people within our organization do not manage to do a
proper job, take part of society in this way because of everything they are
experiencing. And so many keep running around in circles because they feel
they are not a valid human being if they do not have a job - so they keep
stuffing themselves with more pills, new ones again, to make sure they will
be able to return to their job, or achieve in yet another job - to proove
that they are not mad, but normal functioning human beings and maybe even
more, if they can actually gain progress in their carreer. Most of them
fail, and struggle over and over with losing that job, or having to accept a
much lower position or whatever.
A job is a necessity, making money is - but this emphasis is keeping people
away from seeing they are truly beautiful human beings, job or not, carreer
or not, and have a look into their beautiful minds.
"A beautiful mind" is an interesting picture to see - allthough the repeated
trick from the Sixth Sense is not so impressive the second time - but if you
are labeled a schizofrenic, and go to see this movie, what does it tell you?
I have a beautiful mind? No, it tells you what you know already: I am mad
and not accepted in this society unless I achieve something (exceptional).
Where can I find such a loving wife....?
Well - I know my own impatience - my friends thought it was an incredible
movie. I think it stigmatizes as usual, but in a very profound way.
Love, Jose
> Yes Jose, They simply do not understand those 'states'. Our psycholgists
> do not know how to treat regressed states. However, I think with the
advent
> of more psychologist trained in humanistic psychology we eventualy will
make
> some progress. Lillian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "José H" <jose.gitanaATnospamxs4all.nl>
> To: "kundalini-gateway" <K-list >; "Christopher
> Wynter" <lifestreamsATnospambigpond.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [K-list] A Beautiful Mind
> > Hi Christopher,
> >
> > What disappointed me so much about this movie that in the end, the
message
> > that it sends out is that Nash is a worthy human being BECAUSE he wins
the
> > Nobel prize after succesfully returning to his former workingfield, IN
> SPITE
> > of having a disease, called Schizofrenia. Doesn't give any new insight
> into
> > the states that are experienced and mirror's present day thinking about
> > those states - still mad and worthless if you don't win the Nobel
> prize....
> > Tell me something new.
> >
> > Jose
> >
> > >
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