To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/04/01 11:23
Subject: Re: [K-list] yoga and meditation pros & cons
From: KIMBERLY BURLISON
On 2002/04/01 11:23, KIMBERLY BURLISON posted thus to the K-list:
Bryan,
I don't think we really differ all that much. You haven't "pissed me
off"...here lately it takes more than a tone that gives me the creeps in an
email to "piss me off". The difference that I see we have is that you want
to convince me of the importance of books while I have gone past books into
trusting myself and the process in totality. I own books, used them years
ago and haven't gotten rid of them...but here lately I've been running off
to B&N to look at books by Osho...years after being told about him by our
list mystress. I don't see why my approach is such an affront to you...
> Why are you on the list if you don't want different perspectives? Is
>this
>a teaching situation on your part?
Maybe look in the mirror you carry, Bryan...I don't teach. I don't want
students. I don't want followers. The people who interest me are the ones
who follow the path their guidance lays out for them. Followers are
boring...
> I thought it was about sharing ideas.
As long as I share ideas agreeing with yours, I suppose? :)
> My understanding is that whatever you think in the astral -- you are
>there. So if you have a unfocused mind -- you end in very uncomfortable
>situations. Sorrry if that is not true --- but it makes sense to me.
It is true, to a small extent. But being focused in the physical and being
focused in the astral are very different talents, from what I've seen and
experienced. As an example, my stepson on the physical has been "diagnosed"
with all sorts of attention/hyperactivity problems. He can't concentrate on
anything. However, if you find him on the astral, he is completely the
opposite. *Nothing* deters this child on the astral. He can be going NUTS
on the physical and still be on the astral in great shape. He amazes me
every day. Does this maybe explain a little better?
> Obviously you are more advanced in that area than most.
My one truth: "Do or do not. There is no try."
> Pretty defensive -- but that wasn't the way i was intending to come
>across, just sharing my understanding.
Often we don't realize how we come across. :)
> Wasn't intended -- anything else I should watch out for?
The fangs, if they should ever come out. ;)
>All the ancient teachings stress this and the dynamics were put into place
>to force this on me when i resisted the change. My truth -- Sorry.
Yes, exactly what I am saying. It was forced on you to take certain
changes. For me, when I tried, it was forced in the *other* direction. I
started seizing on "clean" diets, tho my doctor was analyzing my food
diaries and was certain I was getting all nutrients. After two years I went
back to my meat-based diet, and I'm not on medication anymore. BAM. Now
don't go thinking I eat junk food...I can't ingest artificial sweeteners,
MSG, or commercially cured ham...but it is balanced for what my body needs
to function properly. DEprogramming is what was necessary in my case. If
that changes, my body is very loud when it wants something changed.
> They are the ways of the ancients who spent a lot of time discovering
>what needed to be done and they appear in nearly all of the teachings.
There is a quoe from the lead singer of U2..."Religion is what's left over
when God has left the building." In that same interview, he goes on to talk
about men making rules and ceremony to fill the void left when they've
pushed God out. I have to say that I thoroughly agree with him. I throw
books in that category also. Most are only useful while you're trying to
make the connection...after that, they are useless, imo.
> Bodies aren't set up --- they are conditioned and programmed..that's
>MY
>truth. My body wasn't set up for overdrive but I conditioned it to operate
>in that mode until it was the norm.
Conditioning and programming are artificial states, imo. My goal is to
strip out as much of the programming as possible, and see what's left. So
far, the results have been positive.
> With respect -- are Fangs part of the new improved version?
They always are. Life is about balance...imo
> Not trying to piss you off. I just carry mirrors and that usually
>pisses
>people off.
Of course...and I tend to do the same...which I think pushed some of your
buttons. Two people with mirrors make for great projection ping-pong
matches. :Þ
>
> Some think that it can be part time -- The Masters say -- Total Devtion
>,
>Renounciation etc.
Exactly. And when you truly do that...there is lots of joy...even when
there is no logical reason for it.
> Kimberly -- I'm just a spiritual baby -- forgive me if my perceptions
>are >in error.
You do not need forgiveness. I think email is a very odd way to attempt to
communicate, and that words are an incompetent medium to discuss spiritual
matters. Miscommunications will always run rampant because of this, IMO.
> But thanks for the input -- it always gives me new perspectives and
>referance points to ponder and base my ongoing learning experience on.
Likewise. :)
Kimberly.
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