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Recieved: 2002/03/05 15:04
Subject: [K-list] Re: Re: Re: sinuses
From: Joseph Miller
On 2002/03/05 15:04, Joseph Miller posted thus to the K-list:
>Reality though, shows me <snip>
Thanks, I was worried I was coming across as arrogant sometimes. Now I know
where the bar is, I'm safe! I admit what is see is what I see not that it is
all that is. I've never met anyone, including some honestly and truly
enlightened people who saw reality completely. If so there would never be
mistakes. And there are. We are the created, not the Creator. Only the
Creator can see Reality as it is.
>all of us, every one of us have already given our lives up for "god", even
>if we like to pretend we don't, or even if we like to pretend that we're
>working the "other side".
Never met a spy for "god" who claimed to be working for the other side, have
seen a lot of folks on the other side claim to be working for God though.
And most people have given up next to nothing for God. Most never will.
>I consider being conshiouly aware a "power" of its self, and most of these
>abilities seem to actually come from simple awareness.
Sometimes it isn't so simple, but in general yes.
>>"Maybe not today, or tomorrow, or the next day, but sooner or
>>later....."
>is actually a saying many lower entities tell people.
No need to be nasty. I've challenged your ideas, never made a statement that
you were a "lower entity" or anything like that. I don't coddle but
insulting and starting flames aren't what lists are about. I don't do them,
at least don't start them. So take your lower entity remark and stick it.
>It is a loop for fear, fear is a lie...
Fear is sometimes a lie. The Jews on the way to the camps with their
"showers" weren't experiencing a lie. It was all too real. And a lot of what
they were experiencing was fear. Very justified fear. "Fear is a lie" is a
blanket statement and as such is not true.
>Sacrifice is a thing of negative, sacrifice comes from the Christian
>experience of God, spiritually, you only have balance.
To a Hindu sacrifice is often embodied in Karma Yoga. Not a Christian
concept or experience. Sacrifice is universal in all religions with any
history and substance.
Sacrifice is central to the functioning of the family and to society. Is a
mother's love a negative? Is a father working two shifts to help his kids
get a better life a negative? Is a donation to the poor a negative? All are
sacrifices often a lot of sacrifices, some large, some small, but all real.
Without sacrifice "love" is only a word. Real love will ultimately require
sacrifice of a personal want/desire to make things better for the beloved.
Without the willingness to sacrifice "duty" ceases to be done. The dharma
fails and is failed, all is lost.
Sacrifice is the greatest good a person can do.
That is the importance and power of Christ's parable of the Widow's Mite.
Not that she gave something, but that she sacrificed and gave all. I haven't
been any kind of Christian for years and years but that story is a wonderful
teaching story no matter what your path.
Namaste,
Joe
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