To: K-list
Recieved: 2002/02/19 12:11
Subject: [K-list] Re: Re: K energy
From: Soitpp
On 2002/02/19 12:11, Soitpp posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 2/18/02 10:25:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
K-list writes:
> Hi
> the book I'm reading says that this energy flow increases to the point of
> vibration just prior to jumping out of the body.the fear has to be overcome
> by avoiding all thought.
> "Journey's out of the Body." by Robert A. Monroe pub by Doubleday
> he is self taught and has a step by step guide on how to do it and it
> coincides with everything I have read and experienced.
> peace
> just learning
I almost jumped/lept/left my body back when I didn't have HALVE the inner
strength I do now, I was really scawed (wabbits) ... so I haven't meditated
much in THAT way, with the direct intention to transcend my body,.. and I
continue to refuse to do so knowing that it is really just futile and unwise.
Why? Because my place is here and I have not mastered the physical reality..
namely, and foremost (And chiefly, if not exclusively) relationships between
me and the nigga. You know what I mean.
In me and you, there is only the self and I must live exclusively for that
self. Soooooooooooo... ixnay on the isticmay business.. PERIOD.
As I like to tell myself when I get overloaded with possibilities on the
brain.. "I have bigger fish to fry" An open heart is most important than
all things!
Boy, actually I'm glad I didn't leap over. It would probably have been
really bad.
??????????
> Charles Manson burns.
> David Koresh burns. Burning is not sanity, not the truth so why get
preoccupied
> by it?
Don't you think they are individuals as well? Damn this infernal AOL 7.0 and
it's idiotic way of quoting. OOOOOOooo, corporatism and the resulting
implied necessity of automatic venture is so IRRITATING (AOL automatically
registers itself as your CD player, Oh, thank you AOL) AOL smartly removed
the option to return to internet-style quoting, ... it's just so inane!!
Sooo Sooo, Obtuse and Belligerent!! Bhaa
(I get AOL for free... that's why.. mom works there..)
> I have thought of looking for a psychotherapist with experience in
kundalini.
> Has anyone had any success with this?
> Best wishes to you all,
> Mark
Is it really all that impossible to return to your self? and just be cool
with it all?
Everyday I run into walls, but everyday I know EXACTLY EXACTLY what's going
on without a shred of doubt. I'd consider myself lucky in one sense or
another not to be older, and have gotten into a lesser relationship that was
necessarily doomed from the beginning. I'm with my faerie queen now. She's
not fully smart about things yet. (well. and I'm not really cool about it all
either) I had to be pretty hard on her. I just go straight for the goal.
Screw the stops.. you have to pass them eventually, no matter what, right? So
just pass them and bedone with it and why not let the new life just...
ahhhh... blow up all around you, blossom and grow, like out of nowhere! It
seems like it just comes straight out of nowhere!! And just the little
tiniest bit of yourself goes a long way to bringing your reality to yourself.
Just a dash of salt makes a big difference. Or something like that.
>,your really in left field.jealousy and
> denial are strong traits of normies.
>
> How true!!!!!!!
>
> Pat
"I consider myself more normal than most" ~Tricky
and I consider him to be more normal than most too!
> "so... there I was... surrounded by the snarling howling hounds of
> hell... I said "s'up hounds?"... "heh! nada!" they said... so I made
> cookies, (oatmeal raisin)... and we had them with milk and giggles"
Haha ;)
Yeah I have a tendency to respond to every little thing sometimes. Indigo's
(no, the other ones) will,.. no EXPECT that from you. Playfulness,
response-(ability?) Y'all dig? no.. ok.. :) Where are all the kids? Do I
have to join an anime list. How lame, they're all busy with feeling lost and
lonely. They haven't gotten to that point yet. Oh such an exclusive group..
;( Ok, that's 'nuff I blabb alot
> Gabrielle and
> Michelangelo (I know that's the name of a painter, but that's what I called
> him).
EXCUSE ME but I pray to an "Anime Character" You gunna call me a
whooosy,... HA.... this is EARTH, NOW, live for your SELF
> Everytime I felt scared after that I just asked them to protect me
> and all my fear went away.
;))))))))))))))))))
> What do you with a extremely strong energy from kundalini that it
> disrupts your every day life, especially when you move, walk, etc?
> Any physical body movement stirs it up and the energy travels to my
> head giving psychotic symptoms. Does anyone have this problem? I
> wasn't really overweight before but now I've gained over 100 pounds
> easy.
Good gosh what do you say to these people. I can ONLY image being able to
help such a person help themselves if you can be there with them, not over
the internet. Are you guys good at doing that stuff over the NET? Do you feel
you can really give sound advice? What is there else to say.
Everyone has issues. Somehow each person must confront their own issues,
their own "imperfections" and not change them, but accept them, embrace them,
EXACTLY AS THEY ARE, without hesitation, or intention!!! No Intention to rid
yourself of them, but say, yes, you are a part of my beauty, how else are
you? I want you JUST the way you are, FAT UGLY, HORRIBLE, and I love you.
Then suddenly you start to lose "weight" let's call it the weight of fear or
aversion. Then your ego responds with the next layer to be released. Ego
draws the conclusion "I'm going to GET NOW" Ego responds with the next layer
of fear to be discovered and it starts over again. The "weight" seems to
return again. D'oh. It doesn't have to be physical weight. But you go back to
the place of fear and loathing and suddenly that manifests itself in your
life and you find yourself in a place where you must once again surrender and
take a long look at how you are reacting to your situation. Not with Love but
with a no-no-bad-bad-go-away attitude. Embrace what you dislike. Even the
smallest most IRRITATING THINGS, like my monitor is bugging out right now.
That is all just a shard of broken glass for me to cut myself on and learn
about my life. But not really to learn about my life.. but to experience it.
I don't like to think of experience as a learning lesson, I like to think of
learning lessons as an experience.
> if you are here to judge (which you know i doubt), why can't you at least
be
> a fair judge who can see people's beauty as well their ugliness? do you see
> your own ugliness? do you see your own beauty? do you judge yourself?
> warmly contesting,
I doubt this guy does not see his own ugliness. You see your own ugliness
don'tcha Patrick? I see mine, and it is beautiful ;) ::monitor buggs out::
> ...our souls can be having a wonderful time together even if our
> egos can't agree about what is important.
>
> I am also wondering about whether, in the process of becoming enlightened,
> we ever come full circle, where the things that we saw as materialistic
> traps become just another play of consciousness in the Universe. Maybe we
> return to a point where we enjoy and play with toys like SUVs because they
> no longer mean what they used to mean. We enjoy them, but then we could
> give them away to someone else in the next second.
that was the FIRST thing I decided
> OH NO.
> just had a normie attack.
> started doubting myself
> maybe i am imagining this
> maybe it's all in my head
> maybe i'm crazy
> their thoughts in my head
> OH NO.
NOW TAKE THAT NORMIE ATTACK AND SAY YES!!! YESS!!!! THAT IS YOUR LAW, THAT IS
YOUR LORD!! THAT IS THE GRAND MAJESTY THAT WILL FREE YOU FROM YOURSELF, IT IS
TO EMBRACE YOUR WORSE NIGHTMARES AND SAY YES!!! When the most mundane,
terrible, NORMY DOUBTY NASTY comes along, remember it is your keeper, it is
the part of you that will INDEFINATELY INSURE your safe return to heaven
(blahhhhh, don't like that word) but it will ensure your return to nothing
and Love. You can't live or exist without it!! You owe everything to IT
because without IT (that normy-nasty) you could never really find true Love,
you must say YES to abadon and normalcy and detriment and all those you would
avoid you must turn around and say I love you
You'll go back and forth, back and forth, coming back to him, then sayin' no,
then gettin kicked by yourself, then you'll cry and say I love you
It's absurd that I am such a wreck .. I ought to shush, but I don't feel
there is any other way to communicate, I've just going to have to stick my
foot in my mouth until I get it right *sigh* IT'S ALL
BECAUSE I CAN'T SPEAK THE OTHER LANGUAGE YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND, DARNIT,
there is just no reason for this stuff.......... I wanna be on a list where
nobody is trying to get enlightened, I just want to be on a social list with
no intentions, except yet one that is still on the level, but it's a social
Oh wait.. Hmm.. maybe that will be the MUD RIGHT ON
(i knew that.. hehe) Life is a multi user dungeon
/ children love to play in the mud
> Hi Percyval,
>
> With all these things in mind can you imagine what kind of burden i
> must carry.
Shush Patrick everyone's burden is equally as difficult to THEM, Look at me!
You won't find me complaining (not usually, almost never) that my burden is
more than others because I KNOW IT'S MORE THAN FUTILE, IF THERE IS ANYTHING
MORE THAN FUTILE THAT IS IT, LET'S BE PRETTY GRATEFUL FOR OUR BLESSINGS THAT
WE KNOW WHAT WE KNOW AND THE GRACE AND BEAUTY WE ARE CAPABLE OF IS
ASTOUNDING, THAT IS MORE THAN ENOUGH GIFT TO MAKE UP FOR THE BURDEN ISN'T IT,
I THINK SO
Here's a good example:
" I was mad, yesterday even. Frustrated. I smad my fist against a cubbord
door in angry spite. My uncle, irritated, and with great physical power,
smashed his fist against the same door and startled me good, scared the shit
out of me really. I looked over at my uncle and could see how mad I mad him
with my own anger. I said "Heeyyyy" in a tone as if to incite that he didn't
really have the right to be mad, but I did. Tho I know that doesn't fly.
Because life isn't "fair" (yes it's very fair) I stood there for a moment. I
don't have the right to rage as the cro magnun man does. My uncle is a cro
magnun. It doesn't work that way. I am NOT ALLOWED to play those games
because all in all I KNOW BETTER and cro magnun DOES NOT. I play at MY LEVEL
of the game and cro magnun plays AT HIS LEVEL. You don't grade an 11th grader
by 3rd grade rules. You don't grade a 3rd grader by 11th grade rules. You
expect each one to perform at HIS LEVEL. So I must have surrendured. I'd come
to another one of those points in my life where at first it might not seem
"fair" that 3rd graders only have to do memorize multiplication tables to
succeed in their relative lives while I have to do advanced algebra. I could
be immature. But if I acted like a 3rd grader there would be a SEVERE
reprimanding on my behave. Because I SIMPLY KNOW BETTER.. a 3rd grader is not
expected to be as mature as an 11th grader nor does he receive the wondrous
experience of KNOWING advanced algebra which is a gift unto itself. Life is,
and without a doubt, conceivably and terribly fair.. BRUTALLY FAIR it is. And
so. I took down on my immature action. Knowing that further actions in such
direction would have a SEVERE consequence. My uncle smashing on the cubbord
door (smashing on my ego really) was just a small taste, a small reminder of
what could happen to a faerie who doesn't obey the law she knows is real and
true. So.. after a bit of fuming, standing there, a bit of huff and puff. I
bound myself. And further made a point to keep in touch with my inner self
moreso than I had been exhibiting in those past few days. I'd realized, in
this next layer to be uncovered. That I must now COMPLETELY live in the
present moment and NEVER, even for a fraction of a moment, allow that
windswept valley of imaginations and delusions of the future to take me over
and likewise result in my forgetting of my self and most especially the Love
in the present moment which is oh so very important and valuable to me. It IS
the very life I seek, here and now it is. Without a doubt and with no lacking
detriment that calls itself the future possibilities and glamour is it's
name. I would not have it, even a little bit. So I must go back again and
remember my name and the present moment and forget the rotten feces of
glamour that smells like shiest. (although the physical shit is not so bad if
you get to know it) Now warm shit, be smeared on me and make me brown and
into the earth I nestle and be well. Let us return to a flat society and
discover the true glory of imagination. " (that got a little sidetracked
from the original theme)
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