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Recieved: 2002/02/12 03:59
Subject: Re: [K-list] There is no God, only Universal consciousness?
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2002/02/12 03:59, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 09:12 PM 11/02/02, emilybATnospamsympatico.ca wrote:
>Hello David
>
> >
> > * Why should any of us give any credence to your vision?
David, please do not be disrespectful of other members experiences. She
did not ask anyone to believe her, she simply expressed her experience.
>I wasn't asking anyone to give credence to my vision. I shared it and wanted
>to know if what I experienced rang any bells with anyone. I wanted to know
>if others sensed any truths in this vision.
Some, sure... and not. It is an experience. It is for you to decide the
truth in it. The meaning... :)
>Also, I was curious to know if other K people have similar experiences. I
>hadn't read anyone posting about such things. I was wondering if I was the
>only one.
There used to be a lot more storytelling on the list... I have read
similar visions to yours... I was also shown that *I* created the universe.
That is both true and not true.
> > * How would you ascertain whether this "Consciousness" you met was
> > telling you the truth? Or do you automatically assume that if it
> > appears in a dream, it must be true?: :)
>Last December or November, I posted about one such experience: I fell into
>rapture and saw/heard what I felt where the Angels that sing the glory of
>God. That was the only way I could comprehend what I had experienced. I was
>told that these were the Gandhervas, beings who sing and dance continuously.
>I experienced them a second time.
I have been there a few times. Most recently was while having some
very intense tantric sex that healed my beloved of some insecurities... It
is a nice place, Heaven...
>Each time, I wasn't looking for any information, or any vision, or trying to
>meet any beings.
Good for you! :)
>Every time I was contacted by or met any beings, I just took the
>information, enjoyed the experience but never tried to contact them a second
>time, not wanting to waste my time getting involved with lower beings or
>even higher beings. Buddha said: "If you meet me on the path, kill me." I
>believe one must transcend even the gods/goddesses and higher beings one
>meets on the path.
That is an excellent attitude.
>My only intent is to learn/experience true enlightenment so I don't want to
>stop and stay at every interesting experience that comes along. I'm not
>seeking to have adventures, to develop psychic abilities, to communicate
>with any beings.
Remarkable attitude. :)
>Two weeks ago, a magnificent being appeared to me, far different from any
>astral being I have ever encountered, much larger, with intense colors and
>light surrounding her. I thought my mind was playing tricks on me of course.
>I thought I was imagining seen the Virgin Mary, since I could not look up
>into her face but only look at her bare feet. When she told me to call her
>mother, I was further convinced it must be the Virgin Mary, but she said:
>"Some call me Kali."
She is both. You are blessed. She is you.
> So, here I was. I had seen 'angels who sing'; I spoke with beings who gave
>me verifiable information; past lives where being shown to me in spectacular
>ways; I even perhaps met a goddess. I was on the path believing that the
>Cosmos resembled how certain religions describe the Universe. There was
>order and structure. I was 'on the path'.
>
>Then Friday, I am shown something that didn't fit in with what I was
>expecting. I was shaken up, my mind is trying to make sense of this
>information as it relates to my other experiences.
>
>And yet, this experience touched me far more than any of the others. For me,
>it's as if a veil of illusion has been removed. I 'see' more clearly. My
>meditations have been deeper. I have a feeling of having touched on
>something very important for my own spiritual development.
The information of the collective, was shown you, and then this
differing vision so you would surrender them all.
>I now feel a kinship with the Consciousness.
Good! It is you. Your Buddha-nature. Your Self.
>I of course meant God in the Judeo/Christian/Muslim concept, or even Brahman
>in the Hindu one. An all knowing, all powerful, ever exsiting being.
>Goddesses and Gods are lower beings, creations of men and the Consciousness.
Energy of consciousness shaped into form by human imagination.
> > * How would something as complex as the universe--including us and
> > our incredibly complex bodies and brains and consciousnesses--be
> > created "by accident"?
>
>And why not? ;)
I believe there are no "accidents."
> > * How would something come from nothing?
In the Beginning, there was a Void that spoke the Word, and then there
was Light. From nothing, back to nothing... Goddess is the spaces between
the illusion of creation. Everything came from nothing.
>In my vision, the dense clouds of energy provoked the Big Bang. Where they
>come from, I have no idea. It wasn't shown to me in my vision.
>
>Perhaps something created this energy plane with the dense clouds of energy
>by mistake or intent. :) I did get a feeling of a loop, of infinitesimally
>large becoming infinitesimally small. I don't have any idea what THAT meant.
>:)
It meant that the Universe is an infinite fractal... Atoms are shaped
like solar systems that spiral like galaxies .... on and on, the same
shapes repeating in the small and the large like a cedar leaf has the same
shape as the branch which is the same shape as the tree. Every cell of your
body has a mind, and all the cells together make your body mind and all the
body minds together make the collective consciousness of the earth and all
the planets together make the collective consciousness of the solar system
and all the solar systems together on and on, infinitely a looping
spiral. If you revisited the world and did the same expansion trick you
might discover the creators of the universe are the mindless activity of
the bacteria on your forehead... All One. Each atom a universe.
>I was given much information which I could not understand. Or perhaps the
>information is stored and will make sense later on.
I generally find that to be the case. If I try to think about it too
much I just end up getting creative with it. So, I just let it go as it
comes and if it shows up several times, then I pay attention.
> > * How would consciousness arise from unconsciousness?
What happened, before you were born?
>It's not so much a question of thinking as experiencing. 3 people have
>written to me to say that they have had the same insight. One Catholic
>person however practically called me a blasphemer. ;)
Oh dear... well, if anyone is feeling harassed in private mail, I like
them to let me know.
>We can either approach
>this from an established belief system, from a theological or scientific
>viewpoint or one can meditate and go and discover for oneself. :) I prefer
>personal experience and insights to intellectual debates, because experience
>simply IS.
Yes. Storytelling is fun though. Sharing experiences and playing with
meanings.
>I DO believe I was shown this vision for a reason since it has had a
>profound effect on me.
That is reason enough.
>Whether it's the truth... who knows? Ultimately, how
>important is it to know? If one is comfortable with one's belief system, one
>will not want to change it. It depends on one's goals. As the song says:
>"Whatever gets you through the night, is all right."
Heh... you are very cool Emily. Glad you are with us, telling stories
of your experiences.
Blessings...
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