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Recieved: 2002/02/11 22:12
Subject: [K-list] There is no God, only Universal consciousness?
From: emilybATnospamsympatico.ca
On 2002/02/11 22:12, emilybATnospamsympatico.ca posted thus to the K-list:
Hello David
>
> * Why should any of us give any credence to your vision?
I wasn't asking anyone to give credence to my vision. I shared it and wanted
to know if what I experienced rang any bells with anyone. I wanted to know
if others sensed any truths in this vision.
Also, I was curious to know if other K people have similar experiences. I
hadn't read anyone posting about such things. I was wondering if I was the
only one.
>
> * How would you ascertain whether this "Consciousness" you met was
> telling you the truth? Or do you automatically assume that if it
> appears in a dream, it must be true?: :)
First, it wasn't a dream. I was meditating when this happened. Lately, about
once every week, I've been having experiences which have been very powerful.
Last December or November, I posted about one such experience: I fell into
rapture and saw/heard what I felt where the Angels that sing the glory of
God. That was the only way I could comprehend what I had experienced. I was
told that these were the Gandhervas, beings who sing and dance continuously.
I experienced them a second time.
All the experiences/visions were very powerful. Some were very personal,
relating to past lives. During others, I was contacted by and met beings.
Some gave me information that I was able to verify on the internet.
Each time, I wasn't looking for any information, or any vision, or trying to
meet any beings. I had been warned a long time ago about lower Astral
beings, and I had encountered some many years ago during astral voyages, so
I had some idea what they were about and have been scrupulously intent on
not meeting any others.
Every time I was contacted by or met any beings, I just took the
information, enjoyed the experience but never tried to contact them a second
time, not wanting to waste my time getting involved with lower beings or
even higher beings. Buddha said: "If you meet me on the path, kill me." I
believe one must transcend even the gods/goddesses and higher beings one
meets on the path.
My only intent is to learn/experience true enlightenment so I don't want to
stop and stay at every interesting experience that comes along. I'm not
seeking to have adventures, to develop psychic abilities, to communicate
with any beings.
I meditate every day, as often and as long as I can find the time to do. One
is warned that during intense meditation, one will experience many things
but not to be waylaid by any of them. Just to accept them and move on. I
accept them as gifts, stepping stones on the way to true enlightenment.
Two weeks ago, a magnificent being appeared to me, far different from any
astral being I have ever encountered, much larger, with intense colors and
light surrounding her. I thought my mind was playing tricks on me of course.
I thought I was imagining seen the Virgin Mary, since I could not look up
into her face but only look at her bare feet. When she told me to call her
mother, I was further convinced it must be the Virgin Mary, but she said:
"Some call me Kali." I'm far from being knowledgeable about the Hindu
religion. I didn't know who Kali was. After some other exchanges, she
blessed me and since then, I have been experiencing more intense states of
bliss than ever before, no matter what I'm doing. Meeting her was a gift,
but I don't seek to meet her a second time. She will appear again if she
feels I need to see her again.
So, here I was. I had seen 'angels who sing'; I spoke with beings who gave
me verifiable information; past lives where being shown to me in spectacular
ways; I even perhaps met a goddess. I was on the path believing that the
Cosmos resembled how certain religions describe the Universe. There was
order and structure. I was 'on the path'.
Then Friday, I am shown something that didn't fit in with what I was
expecting. I was shaken up, my mind is trying to make sense of this
information as it relates to my other experiences.
And yet, this experience touched me far more than any of the others. For me,
it's as if a veil of illusion has been removed. I 'see' more clearly. My
meditations have been deeper. I have a feeling of having touched on
something very important for my own spiritual development.
I now feel a kinship with the Consciousness. Although I am far from
experiencing true oneness with All, although I am still in duality, I feel
less in awe of this Universal Consciousness. I feel now more than ever that
I am part of It and It is part of me. Perhaps before there was an
unconscious fear of experiencing Oneness because I now feel fearless. Before
I was trying to comprehend how I fit in this apparently complicated
Universe with astral beings, with angels, with gods and goddesses. Now I
know they are all veils, games, creations that my sibling and I created. My
next step is to experience my sibling as myself.
>
> * If there is no God, how can there be a Goddess?
I of course meant God in the Judeo/Christian/Muslim concept, or even Brahman
in the Hindu one. An all knowing, all powerful, ever exsiting being.
Goddesses and Gods are lower beings, creations of men and the Consciousness.
>
> * How would something as complex as the universe--including us and
> our incredibly complex bodies and brains and consciousnesses--be
> created "by accident"?
And why not? ;)
My vision was that the Universe was created without intent but we were. The
Big Bang just happened. Other unknown forces provoked the Big Bang but these
forces did not consciously intend to create the Universe. And after the Big
Bang, the Universe became conscious of itself and is seeking to know who it
is.
>
> * How would something "create itself"?
I don't know to what you're referring here.
>
> * How would something come from nothing?
In my vision, the dense clouds of energy provoked the Big Bang. Where they
come from, I have no idea. It wasn't shown to me in my vision.
Perhaps something created this energy plane with the dense clouds of energy
by mistake or intent. :) I did get a feeling of a loop, of infinitesimally
large becoming infinitesimally small. I don't have any idea what THAT meant.
:)
I was given much information which I could not understand. Or perhaps the
information is stored and will make sense later on.
>
> * How would consciousness arise from unconsciousness?
Again that was not shown in my vision if you're asking how the Universe
became conscious of itself. But consciousness arose from unconsciousness in
the evolution of life on our planet. As below as above?
>
>
> I'm serious about these questions. Let me know what you think.
It's not so much a question of thinking as experiencing. 3 people have
written to me to say that they have had the same insight. One Catholic
person however practically called me a blasphemer. ;) We can either approach
this from an established belief system, from a theological or scientific
viewpoint or one can meditate and go and discover for oneself. :) I prefer
personal experience and insights to intellectual debates, because experience
simply IS.
I DO believe I was shown this vision for a reason since it has had a
profound effect on me. Whether it's the truth... who knows? Ultimately, how
important is it to know? If one is comfortable with one's belief system, one
will not want to change it. It depends on one's goals. As the song says:
"Whatever gets you through the night, is all right."
God bless Indigo one :)
With true love
Emily :)
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