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Subject: [K-list] on Love
From: new7892001
On 2002/02/06 09:23, new7892001 posted thus to the K-list:
J. Krishnamurti:
ON LOVE
THE DEMAND TO be safe in relationship inevitably breeds sorrow and
fear. This seeking for security is inviting insecurity. Have you ever
found security in any of your relationships? Have you? Most of us
want the security of loving and being loved, but is there love when
each one of us is seeking his own security, his own particular path?
We are not loved because we don't know how to love.
What is love? The word is so loaded and corrupted that I hardly like
to use it. Everybody talks of love - every magazine and newspaper and
every missionary talks everlastingly of love. I love my country, I
love my king, I love some book, I love that mountain, I love
pleasure, I love my wife, I love God. Is love an idea? If it is, it
can be cultivated, nourished, cherished, pushed around, twisted in
any way you like. When you say you love God what does it mean? It
means that you love a projection of your own imagination, a
projection of yourself clothed in certain forms of respectability
according to what you think is noble and holy; so to say, ATnospamI love
God', is absolute nonsense. When you worship God you are worshipping
yourself - and that is not love.
Because we cannot solve this human thing called love we run away into
abstractions. Love may be the ultimate solution to all man's
difficulties, problems and travails, so how are we going to find out
what love is? By merely defining it? The church has defined it one
way, society another, and there are all sorts of deviations and
perversions. Adoring someone, sleeping with someone, the emotional
exchange, the companionship - is that what we mean by love? That has
been the norm, the pattern, and it has become so tremendously
personal, sensuous, and limited that religions have declared that
love is something much more than this. In what they call human love
they see there is pleasure, competition, jealousy, the desire to
possess, to hold, to control and to interfere with another's
thinking, and knowing the complexity of all this they say there must
be another kind of love, divine, beautiful, untouched, uncorrupted.
Throughout the world, so-called holy men have maintained that to look
at a woman is something totally wrong: they say you cannot come near
to God if you indulge in sex, therefore they push it aside although
they are eaten up with it. But by denying sexuality they put out
their eyes and cut out their tongues for they deny the whole beauty
of the earth. They have starved their hearts and minds; they are
dehydrated human beings; they have banished beauty because beauty is
associated with woman.
Can love be divided into the sacred and the profane, the human and
the divine, or is there only love? Is love of the one and not of the
many? If I say,ATnospamI love you', does that exclude the love of the other?
Is love personal or impersonal? Moral or immoral? Family or non-
family? If you love mankind can you love the particular? Is love
sentiment? Is love emotion? Is love pleasure and desire? All these
questions indicate, don't they, that we have ideas about love, ideas
about what it should or should not be, a pattern or a code developed
by the culture in which we live.
So to go into the question of what love is we must first ideals and
ideologies of what it should or should not be. To divide anything
into what should be and what is, is the most deceptive way of dealing
with life.
Now how am I going to find out what this flame is which we call love -
not how to express it to another but what it means in itself? I will
first reject what the church, what society, what my parents and
friends, what every person and every book has said about it because I
want to find out for myself what it is. Here is an enormous problem
that involves the whole of mankind, there have been a thousand ways
of defining it and I myself am caught in some pattern or other
according to what I like or enjoy at the moment - so shouldn't I, in
order to understand it, first free myself from my own inclinations
and prejudices? I am confused, torn by my own desires, so I say to
myself, ATnospamFirst clear up your own confusion. Perhaps you may be able
to discover what love is through what it is not.'
The government says, ATnospamGo and kill for the love of your country'. Is
that love? Religion says, ATnospamGive up sex for the love of God'. Is that
love? Is love desire? Don't say no. For most of us it is - desire
with pleasure, the pleasure that is derived through the senses,
through sexual attachment and fulfilment. I am not against sex, but
see what is involved in it. What sex gives you momentarily is the
total abandonment of yourself, then you are back again with your
turmoil, so you want a repetition over and over again of that state
in which there is no worry, no problem, no self. You say you love
your wife. In that love is involved sexual pleasure, the pleasure of
having someone in the house to look after your children, to cook. You
depend on her; she has given you her body, her emotions, her
encouragement, a certain feeling of security and well-being. Then she
turns away from you; she gets bored or goes off with someone else,
and your whole emotional balance is destroyed, and this disturbance,
which you don't like, is called jealousy. There is pain in it,
anxiety, hate and violence. So what you are really saying is, ATnospamAs
long as you belong to me I love you but the moment you don't I begin
to hate you. As long as I can rely on you to satisfy my demands,
sexual and otherwise, I love you, but the moment you cease to supply
what I want I don't like you.' So there is antagonism between you,
there is separation, and when you feel separate from another there is
no love. But if you can live with your wife without thought creating
all these contradictory states, these endless quarrels in yourself,
then perhaps - perhaps - you will know what love is. Then you are
completely free and so is she, whereas if you depend on her for all
your pleasure you are a slave to her. So when one loves there must be
freedom, not only from the other person but from oneself.
This belonging to another, being psychologically nourished by
another, depending on another - in all this there must always be
anxiety, fear, jealousy, guilt, and so long as there is fear there is
no love; a mind ridden with sorrow will never know what love is;
sentimentality and emotionalism have nothing whatsoever to do with
love. And so love is not to do with pleasure and desire.
Love is not the product of thought which is the past. Thought cannot
possibly cultivate love. Love is not hedged about and caught in
jealousy, for jealousy is of the past. Love is always active present.
It is not ATnospamI will love' or ATnospamI have loved'. If you know love you will
not follow anybody. Love does not obey. When you love there is
neither respect nor disrespect.
Don't you know what it means really to love somebody - to love
without hate, without jealousy, without anger, without wanting to
interfere with what he is doing or thinking, without condemning,
without comparing - don't you know what it means? Where there is love
is there comparison? When you love someone with all your heart, with
all your mind, with all your body, with your entire being, is there
comparison? When you totally abandon yourself to that love there is
not the other.
Does love have responsibility and duty, and will it use those words?
When you do something out of duty is there any love in it? In duty
there is no love. The structure of duty in which the human being is
caught is destroying him. So long as you are compelled to do
something because it is your duty you don't love what you are doing.
When there is love there is no duty and no responsibility.
Most parents unfortunately think they are responsible for their
children and their sense of responsibility takes the form of telling
them what they should do and what they should not do, what they
should become and what they should not become. The parents want their
children to have a secure position in society. What they call
responsibility is part of that respectability they worship; and it
seems to me that where there is respectability there is no order;
they are concerned only with becoming a perfect bourgeois. When they
prepare their children to fit into society they are perpetuating war,
conflict and brutality. Do you call that care and love?
Really to care is to care as you would for a tree or a plant,
watering it, studying its needs, the best soil for it, looking after
it with gentleness and tenderness - but when you prepare your
children to fit into society you are preparing them to be killed. If
you loved your children you would have no war.
When you lose someone you love you shed tears - are your tears for
yourself or for the one who is dead? Are you crying for yourself or
for another? Have you ever cried for another? Have you ever cried for
your son who is killed on the battlefield? You have cried, but do
those tears come out of self-pity or have you cried because a human
being has been killed? If you cry out of self-pity your tears have no
meaning because you are concerned about yourself. If you are crying
because you are bereft of one in whom you have invested a great deal
of affection, it was not really affection. When you cry for your
brother who dies cry for him. It is very easy to cry for yourself
because he is gone. Apparently you are crying because your heart is
touched, but it is not touched for him, it is only touched by self-
pity and self-pity makes you hard, encloses you, makes you dull and
stupid.
When you cry for yourself, is it love - crying because you are
lonely, because you have been left, because you are no longer
powerful - complaining of your lot, your environment - always you in
tears? If you understand this, which means to come in contact with it
as directly as you would touch a tree or a pillar or a hand, then you
will see that sorrow is self-created, sorrow is created by thought,
sorrow is the outcome of time. I had my brother three years ago, now
he is dead, now I am lonely, aching, there is no one to whom I can
look for comfort or companionship, and it brings tears to my eyes.
You can see all this happening inside yourself if you watch it. You
can see it fully, completely, in one glance, not take analytical time
over it. You can see in a moment the whole structure and nature of
this shoddy little thing called ATnospamme', my tears, my family, my nation,
my belief, my religion - all that ugliness, it is all inside you.
When you see it with your heart, not with your mind, when you see it
from the very bottom of your heart, then you have the key that will
end sorrow. Sorrow and love cannot go together, but in the Christian
world they have idealized suffering, put it on a cross and worshipped
it, implying that you can never escape from suffering except through
that one particular door, and this is the whole structure of an
exploiting religious society.
So when you ask what love is, you may be too frightened to see the
answer. It may mean complete upheaval; it may break up the family;
you may discover that you do not love your wife or husband or
children - do you? - you may have to shatter the house you have
built, you may never go back to the temple.
But if you still want to find out, you will see that fear is not
love, dependence is not love, jealousy is not love, possessiveness
and domination are not love, responsibility and duty are not love,
self-pity is not love, the agony of not being loved is not love, love
is not the opposite of hate any more than humility is the opposite of
vanity. So if you can eliminate all these, not by forcing them but by
washing them away as the rain washes the dust of many days from a
leaf, then perhaps you will come upon this strange flower which man
always hungers after.
If you have not got love - not just in little drops but in abundance -
if you are not filled with it - the world will go to disaster. You
know intellectually that the unity of mankind is essential and that
love is the only way, but who is going to teach you how to love? Will
any authority, any method, any system, tell you how to love? If
anyone tells you, it is not love. Can you say, ATnospamI will practise love.
I will sit down day after day and think about it. I will practise
being kind and gentle and force myself to pay attention to others?'
Do you mean to say that you can discipline yourself to love, exercise
the will to love? When you exercise discipline and will to love, love
goes out of the window. By practising some method or system of loving
you may become extraordinarily clever or more kindly or get into a
state of non-violence, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with
love.
In this torn desert world there is no love because pleasure and
desire play the greatest roles, yet without love your daily life has
no meaning. And you cannot have love if there is no beauty. Beauty is
not something you see - not a beautiful tree, a beautiful picture, a
beautiful building or a beautiful woman. There is beauty only when
your heart and mind know what love is. Without love and that sense of
beauty there is no virtue, and you know very well that, do what you
will, improve society, feed the poor, you will only be creating more
mischief, for without love there is only ugliness and poverty in your
own heart and mind. But when there is love and beauty, whatever you
do is right, whatever you do is in order. If you know how to love,
then you can do what you like because it will solve all other
problems. So we reach the point: can the mind come upon love without
discipline, without thought, without enforcement, without any book,
any teacher or leader - come upon it as one comes upon a lovely
sunset? It seems to me that one thing is absolutely necessary and
that is passion without motive - passion that is not the result of
some commitment or attachment, passion that is not lust. A man who
does not know what passion is will never know love because love can
come into being only when there is total self-abandonment. A mind
that is seeking is not a passionate mind and to come upon love
without seeking it is the only way to find it - to come upon it
unknowingly and not as the result of any effort or experience. Such a
love, you will find, is not of time; such a love is both personal and
impersonal, is both the one and the many. Like a flower that has
perfume you can smell it or pass it by. That flower is for everybody
and for the one who takes trouble to breathe it deeply and look at it
with delight. Whether one is very near in the garden, or very far
away, it is the same to the flower because it is full of that perfume
and therefore it is sharing with everybody.
Love is something that is new, fresh, alive. It has no yesterday and
no tomorrow. It is beyond the turmoil of thought. It is only the
innocent mind which knows what love is, and the innocent mind can
live in the world which is not innocent. To find this extraordinary
thing which man has sought endlessly through sacrifice, through
worship, through relationship, through sex, through every form of
pleasure and pain, is only possible when thought comes to understand
itself and comes naturally to an end. Then love has no opposite, then
love has no conflict.
You may ask, ATnospamIf I find such a love, what happens to my wife, my
children, my family? They must have security.' When you put such a
question you have never been outside the field of thought, the field
of consciousness. When once you have been outside that field you will
never ask such a question because then you will know what love is in
which there is no thought and therefore no time. You may read this
mesmerized and enchanted, but actually to go beyond thought and time -
which means going beyond sorrow - is to be aware that there is a
different dimension called love.
But you don't know how to come to this extraordinary fount - so what
do you do? If you don't know what to do, you do nothing, don't you?
Absolutely nothing. Then inwardly you are completely silent. Do you
understand what that means? It means that you are not seeking, not
wanting, not pursuing; there is no centre at all. Then there is love.
-1980
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