To: K-list
Recieved: 2001/12/31 13:54
Subject: Re: [K-list] (unknown)
From: Druout
On 2001/12/31 13:54, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 12/31/2001 9:41:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tense_iATnospamhotmail.com writes:
> Its all in the brain, the brain is causing the experiences.
> One researcher said, yes these things happen, but its more like the brain
is
> re-tuning itself to a frequency that is always existing around us. A more
> metaphysical explanation.
Dear Dan,
Good to hear from you again! :))
Another researcher (or the same one?), Pim van Lommel talking about his
recent Netherland's NDE study (published in the Lancet) explained how
consciousness can be independent of brain function thusly: "If you open the
TV set, you will not find the program. The TV set is a receiver. When you
turn off your TV set, the program is still there but you can't see it. When
you put off your brain, your consciousness is there but you can't feel it in
your body."
So where exactly is consciousness! LOL Just part of the energy of the
universe, perhaps.
>our collective experience on this list, on a scientific level, indicates
that we
> are accessing different parts of our brain that most are not using. That by
> who we are, shaped by our life’s, have paid attention and learned through
> what ever triggers to “fire†of the chemical reactions in our brain.
And how extraordinary this is! Amazing really that the body/brain has been
programmed to have the potential of "receiving" experiences beyond our
wildest imaginings. What caused this programming? I certainly don't know.
> Anyway… getting to my point. Do we have a soul? Is their really an
> afterlife.
Does it matter? The very fact we all exist *now* seems miracle enough for
me! Perhaps belief in reincarnation is the last refuge of the ego!
> But really. If my soul is eternal, but my egos dies here whats the point.
big deal. They do not mean anything to me. They are not alive right now,
> their knowledge their teaching has certainly influence my life and BELIEF
> Systems, but my hope, my prayers has been the prospect of eternal life.
One indication of a profound K experience is *doubt.* From Gopi Krishna, to
Jesus, to Krishnamurti--they all doubted at one time or another. It sort of
comes with the territory. To experience something so *unbelievable* as K
means at some point we have to doubt the reality of the experience. I think
just about all of us go through it! LOL.--doubting the "knowing" that we
are/will be "safe" throughout eternity. It's probably our *ego* trying hard
to hold onto itself and its perception of importance and uniqueness. Why do
*we* care about eternal life? Once we lose the self, the energy of the
universe is what becomes important because it is what we are all a part
of--where the joy/bliss/love is.
> But none of it bodes well for the prospect for me of eternal life. Some
> would say that is the product of faith. Faith in the eternal life. If I
> can’t remember it, the people I have loved – unless it some obscure
“soulâ€
> recognition what ever the hell that is – whats the point.
> Since my K started, I have believed and lived with the notion of eternal
> life. My heart still will not relinquish the idea, the belief in it.
Perhaps that's the cosmic joke--that there *is* no point. There doesn't
need to be. It is enough, simply, to BE. Your heart is perhaps more knowing
than your brain.
> I do not want this to sound morbid, depressing. I know many on this list
> have cultivated, live by their UNSHAKABE FAITH in their god/dess and
> experiences and prayers and well being and love.
Speaking of depression, this is the time of year when so many people go
through a SAD syndrome--when the days are short. Do some list members have
some methods they would like to share to ease the pain of states such as the
void, dark night, and general "emotional kriyas"?
Love, Hillary
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