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Recieved: 2001/11/14 14:20
Subject: [K-list] Lack of Visual Spiritual Manifestation
From: Joshua Sutterfield
On 2001/11/14 14:20, Joshua Sutterfield posted thus to the K-list:
Hmm.. the talk of visual patterns people experience has me wondering some
things. I do have visual experiences of a spiritual nature but I am
particularly interested in internal light, which I have not known too
much of. I am thinking of auras and chakras (although clearly these are
not exclusively auras).
I would like to hear from some of you who have been able to see auras --
two things, 1. when/how did first signs of it come about, and 2. how
connected to actual "viewed" phenomena does it seem?
For the second question, see, what happens most commonly to me, which I
imagine to possibly be the beginning of some "spiritual" sight -- is akin
to the affects of bright light on the eye, sort of ghost images, which
remain in the visual field and not anchored to where you are looking.
I have occasionally seen sudden very fast white flashes, or sometimes I am
not sure they are flashes but extremely quick flurries of (information?
images?). Mostly just like really quick lightning though.. except a
meaningful light.
But like visual patterns and fractal things that occur in my head dont
quite seem directly related to "light". I am kinda wondering about
auras, I wonder if we might say they are "actual light", as in, actual
phenomena that our visual cortex picks up -- except until we are
spiritually ready, our brain will not interpret it or translate it, or
know to "overlay" it with the other images. But I wonder if it indeed
seems very much a phenomenon (despite the obvious spiritual/subjective
qualities of experiencing it), or if it somehow feels more like..
overlaid somehow?
I remember flipping through a book called (The Healing Light, possibly)
and the lady described how she first became aware of the light energy..
she sat under the sky and stared for a long time, and started to see
pulsating white things flying around in the sky.
I didn't try hard (or soft) enough but I did stare at the sky a little,
and what is interesting is I can definitely see flying white things, it
sounded much like what she said. But I realized it was optical phenomena,
as I turned my head, the things moved accordingly. I did have to sort of
"tune in" to them, I also noticed that all my "floaters" showed up when I
was looking in the right way. But.. I mean, obviously there was no
scaling due to distance, no depth to these particles.. yet there were many
many of them, and they were matched from left to right eye.
But anyways, even as I am aware of some things being optical phenomena, I
still sort of "use" them.. just as focusing on the lil red dots when my
eyes are closed will lead me into visions... my mind will use this as a
starting point for meaningful patterns.
Now.. as for chakras. I am very sound oriented.. as much as I have
focused on visual things, I feel I've not given enough attention to
sound. I am getting very solid hints (particularly about my solar
plexus) of the possibility of my spiritual centers radiating/producing
sound, or being receptive to sound. Also my consciousness is deeply
connected to sound, to waveforms, and i have reached interesting states
focusing on ear-related things, states of feedback in my audio centers,
hearing noises in my head, hearing the hum of brain operations, etc.
BUT I am also growing visually, am having insights.. my girlfriend is
extremely visual and she has opened me up to the concept of spirituality
as light -- whereupon I realized how deeply meaningful light was to me ona
scientific level, and how that paired so thoroughly with the electrical
oscillations in the brain, how it seemed so likely that we were capable of
producing some scientifically legitimate "light" whether visible or
currently measurable or not. But once when we were together during an
interesting moment she exclaimed repeatedly that "the light is orange"
and neither of us knew much about chakras but I quickly thought of the
possible relation to something going on with one of her chakras.
She also talks about how certain feelings feel like sunlight, and has
visions where color is very significant.
And I am beginning to think, there must be a great deal of chakra/light
related activity going on within me, I imagine I may have recently had
one of mine thoroughly opened/cleared. But not much visual awareness for
me. I guess the only logical answer is, well, envision light more during
meditation, assign a significance. It is only occasionally that I can
even succesfully *imagine*, say, the color blue, in my head off the bat.
I'm sure if I kept trying, within a few minutes I could, but even then, I
seem to drop away from it because it carries no spiritual meaning.
The most meaningful light-related feelings seem to not relate to the
color, but rather to their occurrence on an expanded visual field, they
seem to reach me spritually when they, even on this expanded visual field,
wrap around me and seem to be entering me, but there they are just felt
and dont feel "seen" at all.
Other peculiar visual things.. I have a very distinct light that I can
often catch slowly moving or shifting when I close my eye. It is sort of
a ball, it feels spherical somehow.. maybe because of the coloring, it is
much like if you press your eyeball.. sort of a ball of green surrounded
by red maybe, it just seems to move with a little bit of "will". I often
see it moving on the right edge of my visual field, down around to under
my eye.
Hmm.. how would people describe chakras though? In what ways are they
unified in character. I suppose they run the gamut of sensorial
manifestations, vibration, sound, radiation, general pleasure/pain,
tightness/relaxation, so it may be a moot point, but there seems to so
rarely be localized (rather than all-throughout) body-related awarenesses
that correspond to distinct centers, other than perhaps my solar plexus,
accentuated by my heart pumping (which can peculiarly be very "there" or
"not there" quickly depending on my will)
Obviously the light of the chakras differ -- is the light thoroughly
paired with the "flavor" or feeling of it, just sort of the visual
"symbol" for its entire manifestation? I guess when I think of, say, an
actual colored light passing through some part of my body, well I
certainly couldn't experience that visually, my presence seems to either
be in my head somewhere behind my eyes, usually in blackness or
occasionally whiteness, or else my visual awareness is totally unconnected
to a location in body at all, so I cant begin to imagine how to sense
light/color in my chest, belly, throat, etc.. maybe throat because it is
close. And still often when I do manage to visualize colors or "be"
colors, it seems not very visual at all.. like I may still be aware of a
general blackness/nothingness, from which I consider the "concept" of blue
or red or whatever.
As for the fractals and stuff.. I have experienced lots of that, very
directly visual-feeling, many green and vegetative, also some
flame-related. it is interesting how fractals occur, how closely related
it is to feedback patterns. One of the key things which happens in
meditation, seems to be neurological feedback, and the most key one seems
to be awareness of awareness, self-reference (the essence of fractals), I
think we reach centers of a very tightly cycling simple thought or
non-thought and this is what enables bliss.. also this extremely tight
cycle or oscillation, electrical in nature, seems very suggestive of
light, of the possibility of recieving or producing light.
Hmm I bettergo.
Josh
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