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Recieved: 2001/11/11 21:20
Subject: Re: [K-list] Stars and stars/palmistry
From: felix
On 2001/11/11 21:20, felix posted thus to the K-list:
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> I also have a star in the middle of my right hand too--an odd five pointed
> stick like figure. My ancient palmistry book (1928) says it is a sign of
> "some catastrophe in life. Military glory." That seems rather
contradictory
> to me! LOL! Well, so far so good, as far as I'm concerned. And military
> glory seems rather out of the question! Maybe there are some palmists
here?
>
> I was wondering how many list members use methods of divination of one
sort
> or another? And what forms do you use? And how relatively successful?
> Have you always been believers or has it been only after awakening?.
>
> Not sure whether to make this a poll question or not! LOL.
>
> Love, Hillary
Hi Hillary,
Below is a bunch of stuff I wrote earlier today for another mailing group so
it's sort of slanted toward what we were discussing there, but it answers
your question, so I'll just leave it pretty much as it is.
A star, BTW, would have different meanings according to where it is located.
In general though, it's a very fortunate marking.
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I don't know. It could be that I see things this way because I did actually
go through being an oracle by using the various available formats: Tarot
card reading, calculating astrology charts by the thousands, reading
thousands of palms... it can't help but to lead one to certain conclusions
that this stuff has been going on in one form or the other since language
was engendered into a formal style of communicating.
Two interesting things happened. One centers around what happened to me as a
result of doing these things that concerns itself with self observation. The
other with it's effect on other people and the observations concurrent with
that phenomena.
There seems to be a process that happened as I gained the temerity to tell
people what I "saw" in performing the rituals associated with these oracles.
When I first began I would look for the same cues in the other person that I
had learned from teachers and books, and then I would respond to these cues
by repeating what the interpretation books and my teachers had told me they
meant.
During that beginning stage, if I lost my place or forgot what my sources
said, I would make stuff up just fill in the cracks/spaces. After a while
though, as I got more comfortable and less concerned about the form of the
ritual, I was more able to observe the effect of what I was doing had on the
person I was "reading". It turned out to be that getting effectual
information in performing these rituals was the same as what I had learned
in the four or five hypnosis schools I completed. I couldn't see inside the
person's mind, but when something happens in the mind, it usually expresses
itself through the body by tics, jerks, blinks, smiles, frowns, leg
crossings, arms foldings, etc., i.e., body language.
I dropped the Tarot because of an encounter I had with an older woman who
had paid me to read her cards, but when I got through reading her cards, she
read me without cards or any other artifices, drop dead cold. Freaked me out
such that I never read the cards any more.
I dropped the astrology because it became a lotta work and has such a
special lingo that it invites resistance because the other doesn't possess
the lingo and feels like since they don't understand what I'm talking about
when I refer to that lingo to get my point across I could be just conning
them. No blame.
I opted for the palm reading because it requires no physical props and no
special lingo, and I really like holding hands with people. It also allows
me to look for all the body language that keeps me posted about where I'm at
with the person. Reading palms for me now happens automagically with no
references to anything but possibly the Akashic Records. That requires my
total concentration and any artifices or devices seem to distract me from
zoning in and talking the Word without gnowing what I'm doing other than
that. It took me years and years to feel comfortable with it. ;-)
I just learned something in the last few months that I was unclear about,
and therefore had a rather skeptical attitude toward. A woman I have had
e-mail communication with for about a year is involved in channeling big
time. She doesn't do anything else and has a following from the Seth crowd.
Our communication began when I asked her (Sarcastically, of course, is there
any other way?) to tell me what channeling is all about. Her response was
that channeling was like when you read Tarot cards and get into a flow that
produces results that go way beyond the textbook approach. I immediately
understood everything. I had been doing it for 30 years. Repetition,
redundancy, and perseverance pays off if you do it long enough to get the
picture. Then you get the overview.
>
> Have often wondered if the priest or the witch doctor really believes the
> stuff he tells people. I actually suspect not. They do it because it
works,
> because they think they can make people act better, because it gives them
> power. A priest telling us he has a channel to god, a shaman saying he
uses
> earth magic, or a tarot reader saying he/she is getting messages about the
> future......are the same breed, I think.
> They are in a position to get away with anything they can get people to
> believe.
>
> Actually, i think there may be some brain thing that we've developed that
> makes us want to believe them.....wants to not to have to think about the
big
> unanswerable questions....makes us react to a powerful sounding person
> telling us to just relax cuz he knows the answers and can make things
better.
People want a change. They don't care if it is a good change or a bad
change. They gnow that the way they have been doing it ain't getting them
where they wanna go. They don't care if you lie to them, they don't care if
you trick them, they don't care if you ask money from them or their first
born child. When they are desperate enough, they will come.
I've dropped palm reading for the most part. Some people seem to want a
ritual.
I don't need it, they do. Soon enough I won't need to talk or gesture. I
think I am getting to the point that just seeing me and being around me is
enough to evoke this change they want so badly. I have witnessed others do
this. I hallucinate a ti-me when I won't even need a body to do it.
I AIN'T COMING BACK
I ain't brilliant
I ain't wise, and
I ain't worried
about my demise.
If I should die
before I wake
there'll be no soul
for the devil to take.
It'll be off flying
through the loverly sky,
and I'll see you all
in the sweet bye and bye.
So, take my body
do what you will.
Burn it to a crisp
Grind it in a mill.
Put it in a hole and
cover it with dirt,
or, skin it and stuff it
to make the sinner's alert.
But, whatever you do
I ain't coming back,
cause if I ain't here...
I'm on the right track.
felix manos peregrino
c. 1988
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