To: K-list
Recieved: 2001/10/17 13:00
Subject: [K-list] Ethics was Re: Symptomania.Something of interest now.
From: Divine Goddess
On 2001/10/17 13:00, Divine Goddess posted thus to the K-list:
Hello Tony,
The more you write the more fonder I get of you. You remind me of my
Bible College days when the rest of the fundamentalist preachers
would throw around stats to baffle the flocks but really offerred no
workable, reasonable solution, just made people feel guilty and
miserable. How responsible of a leader is that?
TB is a disease of poor hygiene, malnutrition, and poverty. I suppose
the US of A can step in and perform a rescue operation by sending in
millions of TB vaccinations and antibiotics but that only treats the
symptom and not the solution, doesn't it? I suppose they would then
be blamed for being interventionists and forcing their easy solutions
on other cultures.
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., "Tony O'Clery" <aocleryATnospamy...> wrote:
>
> Namaste, Trendy when? Several hundred years ago?
>
> Since the anthrax death on OCT.5. 470,000 people have died of
> treatable infectious diseases in the third world, 1500 die every
hour.> Some dozens of people have been exposed to anthrax, yet in the
world > there are actually 2 billion people with TB. 10% will die of
it.
>
> Most of this happens in countries exploited by transnational
> corporations, and is contributed to by the same companies and the
> corrupt regimes they help prop up.
And your workable simple solution to this problem is.....? Any body
can point out what they think is wrong with something. What are you
going to do about this besides complain about it?
>
> There was a black american lady on the BBC, World TV Service the
other > day, Brooke I think her name was, and artist or writer of
some kind.> The anchor was asking her why Americans didn't know much
about the > world, and why they would be surprised that someone would
hate them > enough to perpetrate the WTC bombing.
>
> She answered thus. First of all Americans are not really interested
> in the outside world, only 7-10% have passports. ' Americans are
like > a woman living in a nice house, and she is well treated by her
> husband. He treats her and her family very well and is just a
loving > father and husband, providing all the material comforts and
> opportunities.
>
> One day her house is sprayed by drive by gunfire and this shocks
and > terrifies her. She runs out into the street saying, 'who would
do > this, why would they do this to us?'.
>
> The neighbours answered. ' Didn't you know that your husband is Don
> Corleone?' America is the Don.'
That is her thought process coming through her subjective
perceptions, more than likely molded by media and TV. And this story
validates what?
>
> I thought that was an interesting analogy coming from an American.
If > you don't think there is a spiritual dimension to this post then
you > have missed the whole point of embodiment.
As you have missed mine Tony. I told you I disagreed with you in a
private post. You wrote me back and said that doesn't change anything.
I responded, "Truly, this is so....but my subjective perception of
the world and your subjective perception of world do not agree.
What is So is just what is. I choose to see and interpret what is So,
differently than you."
Someone wrote me off list about maybe I should look at the plank in
my own eye. This is true. Mostly, I can recognize in the mirror of
others where I still need healing. Then sometimes the healing is
finished but now I recognize the symptoms in someone else. So what
are the symtpoms indicative of? I can give an educated guess based on
my experiences with my own fundamentalist background and immersion in
that culture but that doesn't take into the account of the
individual's experience and life.
These are symptoms such as pointing fingers outward as the cause of
global decay and dehumanizing the individual by painting their
culture or life with one broad sweep of a paint brush. There are
others but this is a start.
I am wondering would your answer have been different if I had cross
posted my response to NDS and where else you may have posted. I
haven't checked any of those places yet.
For myself I look within to see what I can do to be a good neighbor,
a good friend, a good family member. Resting on the principle of
resonance I can affect the world for good around me and then it
spreads like concentric circles on a lake after one has thrown in a
stone.
Blaming, criticizing, and using words with the intent to inflame
people to argument as you have done in the past, where does that come
from in you? How does this alleviate sufferring?
Promoting fear and hatred and guilt...why do you do that? What is it
inside of you that hurts so much? What have you done to promote peace
and harmony?
I suppose to give this a kundalini context you may be clearing out
one of your chakras and this is why you speak in such a manner. I
know I am. I have been having some deep heart cleaning these last
couple of months and I am rethinking perspectives and looking for
balance.
I am of the mind that I would never ask someone to do something I am
not willing to do or have done myself. What is your agenda here Tony?
My agenda is I don't like being painted as an ugly, crass,
unspiritual, uncompassionate Westerner (read American). I am an
individaul and I hurt as an individual. I am not and I know there are
plenty of others who are not also. How unjust to think of people as
some type of Borg and we all act with one mind. I want people to know
that just because someone speaks loudly and vociferously about their
perspectives doesn't make it so. There are plenty who disagree.
I always enjoy when you write Tony cause it causes me to become an
even more discerning thinker. It teaches me not to have a knee jerk
reaction to statements and ponder my motives before I write.
Besides you remind me so much of my Bible College days, where black
was black and white was white, even if it was the the color of skin.
There was great comfort in the Us versus Them game. Moral Certitude
brings great comfort and feelings of security when one is convinced
that Right is on their side. I don't know if that is how you are but
you sure do talk like those who believed that.
It was a great learning experience to be in a fundamentalist college.
I had lots of fun and made great discoveries about love. But my
conscience and the Holy Spirit (kundalini if you will) wrought
changes in my consciousness that proved to be unsettling and forced
me out of that protected, green house environment into the real world
where people lived and died.
You do have the soul of a moral crusader. There is nothing wrong with
that and can be quite honorable if the crusade provides real
solutions to problems.
Peaceful intent,
Susan
>
> ONS........Tony.
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