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Recieved: 2001/10/16 22:02
Subject: [K-list] Ethics was Re: Symptomania.
From: Divine Goddess
On 2001/10/16 22:02, Divine Goddess posted thus to the K-list:
Hello Tony,
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., "Tony O'Clery" <aocleryATnospamy...> wrote:
> > Namaste,
> >
> > 3 fingers yes, but even the bedu girl goes home and prays.
> >
> > I believe in KISS, keep it simple stupid!
> >
> > Most things are obvious and simple it is only the mind that tries
to
> > complicate things for its own diversion and ego's sake.
> >
> > That old monk of 'Occam's Razor', had it right when he said in any
> > problem the simplest solution is usually correct.
The Occam's Razor sounds good and trendy but it doesn't necessarily
apply carte blanche to everything. It probably doesn't apply to most
things that are concerned with people and their lives. It probably
works best when one individual is making a subjective decision about
their own personal situation.
Simple solutions work best for simple problems. I wish Occam's razor
did work...taking care of patients and their families in an intensive
care environment would have been so much easier and a lot less
stressful.
I specialized in organizing complex solutions to multisystem problems.
I made quality of life decisions every day that required a strong
understanding of ethics and compassion. If life was so simple there
would be no Board of Ethics in every responsible health care system.
If life was made up of black and whites everything would be a heck of
a lot simpler. Because there are shades of gray and questions about
character and values along the continuum of life which is why we have
the discipline of Ethics.
What you constantly seem to be preaching about is disparity and
allocation of resources, whether medical, economic, spiritual, etc.
That puts it in the realms of ethical consideration...there are no
easier answers, let alone clear cut solutions when life is what we
are talking about. Then you put a moral character spin on it to
characterize a people and their culture as if every individual were
cut from the same cloth.
> > I know materialism isn't exclusive to the West, but it has been
> raised> > to the status of a religion here. Look at the NY stock
exchange and> > all its patriotism, and god stuff, all about keeping
the greed > going.
There you go again, painting people with that broad brush of
generalization and assumptions...your moralizing about the West's
(i.e. Americans) lack of character.
> >
> > The only other part of the world where materialism and non
> > spirituality is so rampant is in Mainland China, which has been
> > despiritualised and acculturated so much that the young are only
> left> > with a religion of designer clothes and materialism
imported from > the> > West.
Oh that big devil the West... :))) The Devil made them do it, right?
They had no choice but to be seduced by the American Harlot of
Commerce and Glamour. Their spiritual value system was just too weak
and ineffectual to protect them from her sensual advances....poor
defenseless victims. They had no choice because they were forced,
right?
> >
> > Materialism has its place but in the West it is the place, just
look> > at the references to God and Masonic symbols on the US dollar
bill.
Not to many people care about that, honestly, except fearful
conspiracy arm chair theorists. So what if they are? Who cares? In
the context of the time when paper money was initiated maybe that was
important. Paper money is going the way of the chariot and abacus
anyway. And please don't give me a lecture on the New World Order and
paperless money.
> >
> > In India, where I have travelled on more than one occasion, (as
well> > as Asia, Australia, and Latin America and Europe), I notice
that> there is poverty> > and rampant materialism growing as well.
However the majority of the> > population is still spiritual and even
the materialists look over> > their shoulders at their own spiritual
shadow.( There is still a > spiritual shadow). Not over their
> shoulder> > to see if they are missing something in the
mall!!....ONS...Tony.
Tony, I did not know you could see into the hearts and minds of all
Westerners and judge them them to be lacking. I didn't know that God
has died and left you in charge as the final arbitrater of spiritual
worthiness and purity.
Relax Tony. Why not go within and find out why it is so important to
point fingers at people, a nation, a culture?
You sound so much like the fundamentalist preachers and evangelists
of my youth pointing out the Great Satan that walks among us. What
makes you different from them? What do you do differently, Tony?
When you can adequately and reasonably describe the world's problems
simply AND come up with a *workeable, sensible* and simple solution
that works for every individual person then you may have something.
Up till now it just sounds like you are complaining and blowing wind.
What I am doing, personally, is looking inside to where I can be
cleansed and healed of ethnic hatred for any people and their
culture, no matter how subtle and insiduous and "morally" justified.
Until I am free of it, how can I expect the same of others? What are
you doing?
Namaste,
Susan
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