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Recieved: 2001/10/06 23:49
Subject: [K-list] Goebbels Goes to Hollywood! LPRW (Long Pissy Rant Warning)
From: Paul Perner
On 2001/10/06 23:49, Paul Perner posted thus to the K-list:
Tony O'Clery wrote:
> Namaste All,
>
> Well truth was a casualty last night for sure, lets look at the
> litany.
>
It was a fictional TV show. Nothing more, nothing less.
> Then we had the President saying the terrorists were just mindless
> murderers and had no nobility etc. I would say it takes a lot of
> courage to sacrifice one's life for a cause no matter how misguided.
That wasn't the President, it was Martin Sheen acting from a script.
Regarding the couragous terrorists, this was in the New York
Times today about Mohammed Atta (leader of the hijacker group).
They found his will and translated it. Quoting NY Times:
He asked that "the person who will wash my body near the
genitals must were gloves on his hand so he wont touch my genitals."
Mr. Atta, said to be painfully shy around women throughout his
life, asked that women play no role in his funeral. "I don't want any
woman to go to my grave at all during my funeral or any occasion
thereafter," he wrote. "I don't want a pregnant woman or a person
who is not clean to come and say good-bye to me because I don't
approve of it."
Yes, it did take courage to go through with the attack, but it wasn't
the kind that I give much respect to. It was born of creepy kind
of religious fanaticism... the same kind that fundy Christians have.
If this is a two sided "war" (at this point, I'm not sure what it is),
it seems like both side are right and both sides are wrong.
I see more wrong than right.
> There was an allusion to the pizzaria bombed in Israel, but nothing
> about say a four year old girl being shredded by an Israeli rocket, US
> supplied and other killing of children in Palestine, for merely
> throwing stones.
We could go on, back and forth; "Want about the time they did this?
and the other person says "But what about the time *they* did *that?*" ....
...and so on and so on.
I don't like Israel's stubborn, self serving policies and
the CIA and other US groups have done some terrible
things (unknown, for the most part, by the average citizen).
But in regards to arms sales, there are probably more
Russian and eastern made guns floating around on the black
market since the break up of the Soviet Union than you
can imagine. Western hardware is simply the quality brand
of choice among the parties who can afford it (like Israel).
Those who can't, go shopping elsewhere. Also, keep in
mind that it's very easy to hand somebody a gun, but very
difficult to make them kill another person unless they really
want to (I'm talking state sanctioned killing, not personal
crimes of "passion" that could have been prevented if a
gun wasn't at hand).
> ................. unlike the KKK, Muslim
> Terrorists can read and write. They also have a deep religious
> fervour, albeit misguided and misconstrued.
Wrong, KKK members can read and write and they also have
religious fervor... and both groups make me sick to my stomach.
> It was a typical hollywood/media hype propaganda that subverts the
> truth and minds of Americans. Goebbels would be proud!!
The studios are private companies and since the McCarthy era
blacklisting, thankfully, they have been wary of government
involvement and/or censorship. This isn't to say that they always
turn out quality goods.
Think of a major studio as you would the Coca-Cola Company.
They supply an old product by consumer demand or offer a new
one based on market research and testing. (of course, as
xerxenraATnospamaol mentioned, they make their profits from the
tastes of the mainstream, indie studios, on the other hand, are
more in it for art's sake).
The studios also turn out a kind of artificially flavored and
colored sugar water. But which of the two evils is greater,
tooth decay or a bad script, is a matter of opinion.
Anyway, if you want to get corporate about things, a large
portion of Hollywood is owned by Canadian, British and
Japanese conglomerates. So there :b
> A friend of mine's daughter and companion were in Bellingham USA,
> buying gas the other day when an East Indian came in. After he left
> the clerk called the local sheriff, about a suspicious Arab being
> around. She wanted the girls to stay for the sheriff but they refused
> and drove back over to Canada.
That shows you what a paranoid knuckle head that clerk was.
Around here and elsewhere, not only are business on every
block patronized, but many of then are owned and operated
by Middle Easterners and East Indians... nobody seems to
have a problem with it. There's even a mosque down the
street where the men dress the same way bin Laden
does... they stroll the sidewalk, people don't feel threatened
an so far nobody has harassed them. In fact, a lot of
people are extending a more neighborly hand to them
these days. I still think there's more tolerance than
intolerance throughout the world.
I realize how fortunate I am to live were I do. The little
arts district I call home is kind of in the middle of things.
To the south you can see the mansions perched on the
Hollywood Hills... and a few blocks to the north, in
the section 8 buildings, you can score cheap drugs...
or rise a family on love and hope. It might seem like a
great injustice, but I've personally known so many people
of so many walks of life make a better world for themselves
that I'm beginning to feel that opportunity out weighs oppression.
I love it here and I love Canada and every patch of soil
I ever put my feet on for the same reason.
When New York got hit, people here felt it hard and heavy.
The Apple is like a big, older brother... we share a common core.
Most on this list, myself included, tend to side with any smaller,
less fortunate person, group or nation. What a perfect set up.
The well funded Al Qauda establish themselves in one of the
poorest counties in the world... one that has been exploited and
invaded for centuries. Then they strike a lucky hit at the heart
of the biggest city of the richest nation.
After the shock of 6000 civilians being burned and buried
alive or falling 100 stories to their deaths, people start
thinking and reflecting. A Republican president rattles his
saber and half the country echoes the knee jerk reaction
of "war! war! war!" But in my own community, I don't
know a single person who voted for Bush, and most of these
people don't want to see military action in Afghanistan.
These same people, millions of them, are also aware of
the injustices of certain American foreign policies
and would do anything they could to change them. They
are the same as progressive people who live in all countries
of the world.
I consider myself and most on this list to be among them.
I no longer hate the man who lead the hijacking (the one
with the now sacred dead pecker). After weeks of raw,
up and down emotions, I've finally moved on. But regarding
the Taliban, there's one image I'll never forget.
When I saw the footage of them blowing up Afghanistan's
oldest cultural monuments, two giant, magnificent status of
Buddha, I began to see other things. I saw Timothy McVey,
I saw Christians blowing up abortion clinics in the name of
"God." I saw Mao's Red Army destroying China's artistic
spiritual past, shrine after shrine.
It's about fear, control or both... we could argue details,
but one thing I think has become clear: Some group
mind sets are destructive. With the demolition of the
structures in New York and Afghanistan. I didn't see
noble freedom fighters like the French Resistance in WW2.
No, instead I saw a pitiful kind of cultural terrorism,
that says, (to paraphrase a radio commentator), "we can't
build this, but look, we can tear it down!"
Step a few centuries back,
add "God" to the cause (eastern or western) and the
setup is complete. Tomorrow we can all blow our bloody
heads of in a "holy war."
We really must move forward as a race. I strongly
believe that we can evolve into a society that is
peaceful, tolerant, ecologically non-destructive and
technologically progressive. It's no longer just some
utopian theory. Through trial and error, people are
finally learning how to do it... and some are actively
building this gentler, more forward moving world.
Thanks for reading this far.
There's more I'd like to say, but I'll leave it for another day.
> This is the type of result to propaganda like the West Wing. It also
> results in building hate and brings death to the world......
>
Everybody's right and everybody's wrong... I don't know.
It would be good to see it all from an entirely now perspective.
Something not of this world.
I keep think about that line of graffiti I saw on the
Sunset Strip in the 1970s. It was a stern warning:
"Remember - God is watching....
So put on a good show!!!"
;-) Paul
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