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Recieved: 2001/10/05 17:44
Subject: [K-list] Re: you wrote:- Reply to Cat
From: ejaye.moran
On 2001/10/05 17:44, ejaye.moran posted thus to the K-list:
Dearest CatY
I asked the question
"Are blame or retribution the way forward or is forgiveness and
non-judgement the peaceful path".
You wrote in your last mail in reply to my mail "For Cat"
"Projecting your own personal trauma onto others and obscuring their reality
with a fear that keeps them farther from God/dess and surrender is
definately an intrusion. Defending it in the name of righteousness is also
an ego thing and should not continue. Not good for Sean? If Sean isnt
learning what he has done from "us" on this list, then God/dess would teach
him with a whop on
the head, eventually. Would much rather prick his finger with a little
lancet then see him bleed 2 quarts. I am not here to argue, nor justify.
Merely pointing to the fact that causing someone fear is not right and then
telling me there is something wrong with me because I chose to point this
out - a clear display of self defense and separatism and ego in particular,
the very thing we are committed here to undo. thus, the words "continue to
be"
(displaying this ego/separatism) If Sean was not forgiven, I would have
saved my energy and let his karma have at him.
The reason I spent 4 days in posts with Leslee is because he did do such a
thing. And if I had not, her misery would have been more acute and
perpetuated.
There is no retribution involved in what I said. It was intended to support
what I knew Angelique and others would be saying, to raise the consensus,
and lead Sean to a quicker surrender to contemplation... thus undoing his
defensive ego.
Judgement. yes. I judged the occurrance as a display of ego, which is apart
from God/dess this is true. I judged it as a state that would leave Sean
stuck" and not aspiring to higher levels.
Namaste,
Goddess leads with a carrot and guides with a stick.
Is the karma we experience a form of judgement?
Cat
The following is a passage from The True Name - Volume 1 by Osho (Discourses
on Japuji-Saheb of Guru Nanak Dev) and can better describe the words behind
the words in this passage he is talking about our relationship with
God/Goddess whichever term we use. A great book.
"To whom to complain and about what?He gave when He pleased,He took away
when He pleased. You have no hand in it. All is His,everything! Then, where
are the tears?Where the anxiety, the sorrow and distress?If He gives you are
happy:if He does not give you are happy. His ways are unique. Sometimes he
gives and thus creates you. Sometimes He takes away and in so doing you
evolve further!. Sometimes suffering is necessary, because sorrow wakes you
up, makes you conscious. In happiness you are lost and asleep. In suffering
you awaken.
There was a Sufi fakir by the name of Hassan. One day as they were getting
in a boat his disciple said, "That there is joy I can understand, because
God is our Father, and it is but natural that He should give joy to His
children; but why sorrow, why unhappiness?.
Hassan gave no reply but began to row the boat with only one oar. The boat
began to turn in circles. "Whatare you doing?" the disciple called out. "If
you row withone oar we shall never reach the other shore. We shall keep
going round and round in this one spot. Hasthe other oar broken or is your
arm paining? Let me row the boat!"
Hassan replied,"You seem to be a much more intelligentfellow that thought!"
If there is joy alone, the boat will go only in circles and arrive nowhere.
For it to work, the opposite is also needed. A boat moves with two oars, a
man walks with two feet, and two hands are needed to work. In life you need
night and day, joy and sorrow, birth and death or else the boat keeps going
round and round, reaching nowhere.
When a person begins to perceive correctly, knowing that He is in everything
he is filled with thanksgiving;even sorrow comes he accepts it cheerfully.
Then you accept His joy and you accept His sorrow equally. Then joy is no
longer joy, sorrow is no longer sorrow; the dividing line is lost. When you
begin to look upon them impartially, your attachment to joy and rejection of
suffering are both broken and you stand apart, free from both, having
arrived at the attitude of a witness. Then you shall be rid of sorrow and
carry home joy." (Osho)
I guess what I believe is surrender is about total acceptance it is about
trusting in God/Goddess whatever not in our own minds in our own intellect.
About giving up the need to question. About accepting with gratitude
everything that is given to us, positive and negative, as an opportunity to
learn and merge with the Divine. Not to question His/Her motives. But to
accept that everything that is done is for the love He/She has for us. God/
the Goddess is the person who wraps their arms around you and the person who
spits in your face. All are the divine we must not fall into the trap of
believing we know best only God knows all. We as yet are still human. Is
this not what Living with the Guru is? We cannot act for God when we are
still slaves to our own minds our own intellect. If we cannot all love each
other see ourselves in everyone else, accept without question, then what
hope is there of finding Gods love. Ek Omkar Satnam.
With the warmest love to you. And my deepest gratitude to you for this
oppurtunity to grow, you have been an instrument of Gods work and I have
learnt much from you. May God Bless you always.
Ejaye
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