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Recieved: 2001/09/16 12:10
Subject: [K-list] From list member Siska I think meant for posting to this list.
From: Cleocatras
On 2001/09/16 12:10, Cleocatras posted thus to the K-list:
From: Siska
To: CLEOCATRAsATnospamaol.com
Well said. If only Dubya, Tony Blair et al could see things the same
way....
As a Brit living in UK, I can say many here and across the rest of the world
don't share American popular reaction to this outrage. Easy to say I know
when we are distanced from the immediate horror - but at the same time that
very detachment gives us the ability to remain objective - a much needed
perspective right now at a time when knee jerk rection could trigger a
massive world wide escalation of violence and terror.
I apologise for getting political here on a 'spiritual' list, but these
things are ignored at all our perils - many elements constitute the whole
after all. I believe to be a fully realised spiritual being also means
taking a full and active part in the world. If my views offend anyone, then
please accept my apologies in advance.
Make no mistake - Islamic terrorism may be psychopathic in nature - but it
still has to come from somewhere. You could say it represents the very
extreme end of a scale of pan-Arab/Islamic resentment, and for many, hatred
of the West. American politicians may talk of a broad coalition of support
for the US, including from Islamic countries, but the governments of such
countries don't necessarily represent the views of their peoples. Afterall,
the concept of democracy isn't a natural one to especially the Arab mind,
and many Islamic states are in effect dictatorships. If push comes to
shove, even moderate Moslems will always put Islam (and Moslems in another
country) first. I lived in an Islamic republic for nearly a year, and I've
travelled widely in the Islamic world. Islam is very different to other
religions. In many countries there is a seperation of state and religion,
but with Islam, state, politics, economics and religion are all part of one
integrated approach to life. Also, many Moslems view themselves as a
members of an Islamic community that transcends national barriers. An
attack on one will be viewed by many as an attack on them all.
The entire western world, not just America needs to learn from this
atrocity. Like it or not, we have a history of economic and political
manipulation and oppression of large parts of the rest of the world. Why
should we be so surprised when there is a back lash??
In terms of America, I feel as a nation state it needs to learn that its
self appointed role as moral arbiter/policeman of the world (a role
incidently inherited from 19th century Britain) is seen as imperialistic
bullying by those outside. America cannot continue to view itself as the
most powerful, therefore impregnable nation in the world. It's a big world
of which America, geographically speaking, is but a small part, and of which
many sectors of its population know or care very little. This has to
change. America must learn from this experience, as must we all.
I can't help feeling at a deep unconscious collective level, long neglected
feminine values are demanding recognition and re-integration here. The
world has been male/science/rational/power/status/materialistically
dominated for far too long. The need for balance is a law of nature - the
more extreme the oppression, the more forceful the eventual eruption.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CLEOCATRAsATnospamaol.com>
To: <K-list >
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:39 AM
Subject: [K-list] the chessboard
> I carefully read the Islamic voice behind the reasoning for destruction
today.
> I carefully read the western voice behind the reasoning of retaliation
today.
> The essence of each were identical, the same injustices, injuries,
> destructions were claimed. They were real to each of them on each side of
the
> chessboard.
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