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Recieved: 2001/09/15 03:34
Subject: [K-list] love the deepest expresion of truth
From: Donna & Paul Jenkins
On 2001/09/15 03:34, Donna & Paul Jenkins posted thus to the K-list:
----- Original Message -----
From: Donna & Paul Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:32 AM
To: divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: the deepest of roots
Sorry goddess, but the roots are just the foundations of truth which all our lives must be based on now, that is the GLOBAL shaking, its not personal or even national. Good and Bad exist everywhere, it is true the west exploits others, it is true the west is very liberated. Why can you not see balance, equilibrium in your consciusness, its as if you believe there really are americans and arabs, and countries. There is only spirit in truth.
Not meant to offend, but duality is ignorance,
Love and blessings
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:14 AM
To: K-list
Subject: [K-list] Re: the deepest of roots
percyval,
I was sitting at a bus transfer station last week thinking about how
Denver, Colorado, deep in the middle of America, is rapidly becoming
globalized. I can hear languages from Africa, the Far and Near East,
South America, the former Soviet Union all in the space of a few
minutes. We have many different embassies here.
On my bus, I ride with people from Sudan, Ethiopia, India, Bosnia and
Mexico, Thailand and Vietnam. I hear those languages everyday. I was
thinking this must be what riding a bus from New York City is like.
Reflect about that statement,"welcome to our world".
People come to the US of A specifically to get away from that "our
world".
Why do refugees and immigrants, which are changing the face of the
American landscape, come to the US in the first place...to escape the
terrorism and oppressive regimes in their countries.
This is where the food is, this is where people don't get shot or
blown up on a whim because they dress different or pray to a
different deity. And if they are justice moves in. People move here
cause it just ain't American to strap explosives to one's body for
political and symbolic purposes although that does make a good movie
script. It's not a perfect place but it sure is a heck of a lot
better than some places on the other side of the ocean. I have seen
some horrendous photos of tribal war atrocities in Africa and rape
documentation from the Bosnian-Serbian conflict that have come out
the court systems of the United Nations.
And Denver isn't such a wonderful place at times either. The
Columbine shootings happened here. We had some white supremacists
skin heads murder a man from Africa, at a bus stop down town, just
because he was black. They then shot the white woman who tried to
help him in the back, paralyzing her. And yet I don't have to have
that happen on a daily or even an hourly basis in my hometown to know
that I don't like it and I don't want it.
We may not understand how it is to live under oppressive terroristic
regimes but we don't have to live it to know we don't want it. The
immigrants here will tell you they want to go back but they will be
tortured and killed because they are from the wrong tribe or sect or
political party or starve to death because of the climate.
The only nicer safer place to move would be to our peaceful Canadian
neighbors to the north. If the US of A was to ever collapse like some
people have been predicting for over the last couple of hundred years
ever year that's where I would go to live. I know a few klist dear
ones from up there :)))
Yeah, I am a bit of a nationalist about my country and maybe not as
empathetic as some who have more open hearts. I don't think I would
have ever had my kundalini awakened in such a gentle way if I lived
in in an oppresive regime. Or maybe I would: fear and terror are
great catalysts for awakening.
People are dying in the process to move here. Why would they want
their world to follow them here?
Maybe the United States should become more like that 'our world'.
Heaven knows no one would want to move here anymore...and the US
could regress to being just as white and provincial and patriarchal
as some wish to keep it that way. No religious freedom then...
I do agree there is disaster and hatred in this world since recorded
time. I do agree there is disaster and hatred in my own country
too...but it is on a manageable scale at this moment. I don't want
that 'our world' to become our world. The roots don't have to grow
into ugly flowers.
Susan
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., "percyval" <percyvalATnospamr...> wrote:
> hello friends,
>
> these bitter fruits we are experiencing are grown on tangled vines
with
> the deepest of roots... the seeds were sown in ancient history...
these
> are some of the roots i see (not necessarily in order):
>
> -the Crusades...
> -the European colonization of the Muslim world...
> -the way the colonizers divided up borders as they left and the
> puppets left in place behind them...
> -the way newly discovered oil fields fell within those borders...
> -the holocost of the European Jews...
> -the way the winners of WWII continued to draw new borders...
> -the Jewish people and European powers that supported them
creating
> the state of Israel...
> -the U.S. and U.S.S.R. cold war fought using pawns on blood-
soaked
> foreign soil...
> -the U.S. and other Western powers trying to prevent letting
> "too much" power and influence go to the countries whose oil fields
fell
> within those arbitary historic boundries...
> -the U.S. and other Western powers' other reasons for support of
> Israel and the oil-rich Sunni Muslim kingdoms except Iraq...
>
> this is not meant to be an all-inclusive list... only to show that
this
> disaster is neither new nor simple... it is just the first time
that the
> ongoing historic carnage has reached within the U.S. borders...
>
> Tony O'Clery was rather blunt, but correct... this is a "welcome to
> the world" message for the U.S.A... maybe we will now understand
how it
> feels a little better than we did before...
>
> warmly,
>
> percyval
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